Darren Wilson's Side of the Story

[barbara]

It's against the law for police to have checkpoints???

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Is due process satisfied?

Pete

Due process doesn't always mean justice.

Especially when it involves the killing of young black males.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I had a judge tell me point blank 'this isn't a court of justice - it's a court of law'.

I see that if a GJ does not sent it to trial it will be used as an excuse to riot.

Pete

So justice doesn't really matter? Good, we can just skip the whole court idea. Hire extra cops, and more backhoes. Problem solved.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by barbara

It's against the law for police to have checkpoints???

The US Constitution 4th Amendment suggests that you cannot be stopped, searched, your vehicle stopped, your vehicle searched, or detained without probable cause. The reason why you can go on youtube and see so many video records of cops, border cops, and any other sorts of cops hassle motorists and finally let them go is because there is a 4th Amendment and finally some coppers get tired of the struggle and let the innocent go on their legal way without interruption or interference.

Then there are the other coppers who just go ahead and arrest the innocent traveler for "disorderly conduct" or on some similar garbage can charge.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

So justice doesn't really matter? Good, we can just skip the whole court idea. Hire extra cops, and more backhoes. Problem solved.

You think this country has a "justice" system don? It doesn't. It has a legal system that often (perhaps more often than not) has very little to do with justice.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Due process doesn't always mean justice.

Especially when it involves the killing of young black males.

Or stuffing a probe in a woman's vagina against her wishes (which in any decent country would be considered grounds for a rape charge) because she wants to exercise her confidential right to medical treatment that's nobody's fucking business but the business between her and her physician.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

You think this country has a "justice" system don? It doesn't. It has a legal system that often (perhaps more often than not) has very little to do with justice.

But it is supposed, nonetheless, to have a goal, however imperfectly attainable, of justice. As I was saying, if we abandon that as a goal, we don't need courts at all, do we? Just let the cops go ahead and 'enforce' as seems good to them, without all the pretense.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

But it is supposed, nonetheless, to have a goal, however imperfectly attainable, of justice. As I was saying, if we abandon that as a goal, we don't need courts at all, do we? Just let the cops go ahead and 'enforce' as seems good to them, without all the pretense.

Justice has nothing to do with it. Justice, or the concept of it, is not a goal. As long as most of the people we put into office in the legislatures are lawyers, the fix will be in to maintain a system that will remain beneficial to lawyers and not to those who are at the distinct disadvantage of not being "officers of the court." It is what it is.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Justice has nothing to do with it. Justice, or the concept of it, is not a goal. As long as most of the people we put into office in the legislatures are lawyers, the fix will be in to maintain a system that will remain beneficial to lawyers and not to those who are at the distinct disadvantage of not being "officers of the court." It is what it is.

Do you see any meaningful difference, then, between our courts and this court?

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Do you see any meaningful difference, then, between our courts and this court?

Sure, I seem some difference...although not a whole lot of legitimacy in the comparison.

Although...this is pretty close:

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And more recent as well.