Open-Carry Rally Tomorrow Outside DC

[finnbow]

While I don't dispute these fellows' right to carry in the State of VA or in the park where they plan to congregate, I do have an issue with the implicit message of this gathering. In effect, they're saying to the party who won the election (and who is working on the agenda they campaigned on) that if they go any further, there could be violence. Scary shit, methinks.

[noonereal]

something needs to be done about hate media

[d-ray657]

The beautiful irony of the closing paragraph must have been intentional.

"We handle tens of thousands of demonstrations of a First Amendment nature annually," said Dave Schlosser, spokesmen for the U.S. Park Police, "and we are handling this event no differently than any of the others. We assess what their needs are to allow us to facilitate a safe and successful demonstration, so they can exercise their rights to free speech and free assembly without interference."

This is a group who is apparently not sufficiently confident that they can persuade with their First Amendment right to free speech, so they use the inherent intimidation of brandishing weapons to make whatever their point is. I guess the gradualists went too far when they put one of them in the White House.

In terms of a President who has allegedly usurped liberty, would Tricky Dick, Uncle Ronnie, or Dub have put up with an armed protest on the outskirts of DC? Are they wanting to allow Obama to show that he has the patience and courage of Ghandi.

These armed protesters are playing with a PR timebomb. Don't you think there would be a huge backlash if some dipshit gets carried away and starts shooting. Then again, PR might be their last concern. Maybe they just want to generate enough fear that people will wonder if it is safe to support the democrats.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Sandy G]

You all know how I feel about guns, but this is about as bat-shit crazy as anything I've ever seen. These nematodes are NOT helping our cause at all, if anything, they're HURTING it very badly, potentially.

[BlueStreak]

First of all, isn't the correct phrase "Peaceable" assembly? And, would the advocacy of the "violent overthrow" of the United States Government constitute sedition?

I say let them. I hope one of those goofballs starts shooting. I hope they all do.
Maybe this is what needs to happen?

Dave

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by Sandy G

You all know how I feel about guns, but this is about as bat-shit crazy as anything I've ever seen. These nematodes are NOT helping our cause at all, if anything, they're HURTING it very badly, potentially.

We agree again Sandy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is seems to me, from reading your posts, that you don't own guns to intimidate anyone. Instead, it seems to be an historical interest and a fascination with the engineering of the firearms.

I most certainly don't want anyone to be hurt, but I would likely be guilty of some smugness if anything stupid happened as a result of their show of force. I know I mentioned earlier that I anticipate a stoical patience from the President with respect to these showboats, but It would be a little fun to balance this posturing with a full military parade, just to show how foolish any plans of insurrection really are.

I wouldn't suggest that most Americans are soft, but the attitude and determination by those involved in an insurrection against a puppet government, after having survived years of totalitarian rule, is going to be much greater than it would be for a population used to having enough to eat, someplace warm to sleep, and cable TV on the flat-screen. Most Americans would have much more to lose in taking armed action against a democratically elected government than those fighting against a true loss of liberty. Glen Beck would be wearing striped pajamas and learning how to be Bubba's girlfriend if he pulled his antics against a regime like Saudi Arabia or Algeria. People might have a different understanding of the word they throw around so casually when they see what happens to people who have actually lost liberty.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Sandy G]

Yep, that's about right, D-Ray. one of the most pleasant afternoons I ever had was about 20 yrs ago, this time of the year. My sister & her horse trainer were busy foolin' around w/her horses, getting ready for the upcoming show season. The guy's daughter, Jackie, was there, too, & they'd kinda dumped her on me to keep occupied. She was 10, 11, 12, not a cute little kid anymore, but not a teenager, yet, either. She had a mouth on her that wouldn't quit, & the "Tude" to go w/it... She was right at that age where you'd very much liked to have Pinched her Head off. Anyhow, I had a Chipmunk .22 single shot rifle, & I says, "Jackie, you ever shot one of these ?" "No, I've never shot anything..." Well, come here, you're fixin' to learn... Believe it or not, she took to it like nobody's business, we spent the afternoon plinkin' Coke cans offa fence posts, her mach-10 mouth & Little Miss Biach attitude went away, too, & we stayed outta her daddy's & my sister's hair. THAT'S what I like about shootin'....

[hillbilly]

Originally Posted by Sandy G

Yep, that's about right, D-Ray. one of the most pleasant afternoons I ever had was about 20 yrs ago, this time of the year. My sister & her horse trainer were busy foolin' around w/her horses, getting ready for the upcoming show season. The guy's daughter, Jackie, was there, too, & they'd kinda dumped her on me to keep occupied. She was 10, 11, 12, not a cute little kid anymore, but not a teenager, yet, either. She had a mouth on her that wouldn't quit, & the "Tude" to go w/it... She was right at that age where you'd very much liked to have Pinched her Head off. Anyhow, I had a Chipmunk .22 single shot rifle, & I says, "Jackie, you ever shot one of these ?" "No, I've never shot anything..." Well, come here, you're fixin' to learn... Believe it or not, she took to it like nobody's business, we spent the afternoon plinkin' Coke cans offa fence posts, her mach-10 mouth & Little Miss Biach attitude went away, too, & we stayed outta her daddy's & my sister's hair. THAT'S what I like about shootin'....

I like that story Sandy. The horses sound good too, not beeing gun-shy

[merrylander]

Known the gentleman for a number of years though we have never met face to face and Sandy would be the last person to even countenance these yahoos let alone join them.

This constant reference to the Constitution by people who have never read it, let alone comprehend it does make one wonder if free speech is all it is cracked up to be. One of Webster's definitions is 'the form of utterance characteristic of a particular people or region'. Except that they are not people that could cover the braying of a jackass and that certainly fits Beck.

"We the people of the United States, in order to for a more perfect Union, establish justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

I once had a young graduate student tell me that was just the preamble and it was meaningless. I simply gave him a pitying look and told him that the rest of the document made absolutely no sense without it. "a more perfect union" yes, because confederacy plain and simply did not work! "establish domestic tranquility" obviously confederacy was not achieving that end. "promote the general welfare" does not a good government look to the needs of its citizens, else what is a government for?

Now I have only read through it about three or four time so if someone can point out to me where it says the people must take up arms and overthrow the government when they disagree with the results of the ballot box please point out the Article because I must have missed it.

[BlueStreak]

What gets me is that this guy calls our government "totalitarin socialism". Yet, not only is he free to speak his mind, demonstrate, walk around in the nations capital openly displaying his weapons and advocate violent overthrow, but our federal government is even providing "barricades and bike racks" for the event. Hmmmm. Somehow, I don't see this taking place in Joseph Stalins Soviet Union, which was REAL totalitarian socialism.

The sheer irony of it speaks volumes.

Dave