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Old 05-03-2015, 03:11 PM
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The TPP must be destroyed.

I think this goes in the sig.

See http://www.citizen.org/Page.aspx?pid=5411 for the basics on how the TPP makes an unaccountable foreign 'tribunal' superior to US law. Corporations are given the ability to claim unlimited compensation from US taxpayers if government policy impacts their 'expected'* profits. This stick will give the corporations more leverage than ever to dictate regulatory policy in areas of corporate finance, labor law, environmental protections, job safety, and anything else.


*that is, estimated profits. And an 'estimate' can be anything. There is nothing more plastic than an estimate. The fix is built-in to these extra-constitutional 'tribunals.'
Thanks for the link Don Q.
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Old 05-04-2015, 09:38 AM
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After NAFTA Greenville lost the fridge maker Electrolux, even when huge incentives were offered.

The article below view TPP through Greenville's eyes...the pros and cons.

http://america.aljazeera.com/article...tor-plant.html

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Old 05-04-2015, 10:10 AM
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I would say play around with the data avaible on this site http://www.citizen.org/Page.aspx?pid=183, if it was not as serious and eye opening.

http://www.citizen.org/Page.aspx?pid=4300 / http://www.citizen.org/Page.aspx?pid=4323
http://www.citizen.org/Page.aspx?pid=3402
http://www.citizen.org/Page.aspx?pid=3407


http://www.citizen.org/trade-myths

Barney

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Old 05-04-2015, 10:13 AM
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from the link Don posted...

Most of the text of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which impacts policy areas ranging from intellectual property rights to environmental protections to how corporations settle disputes with government, remains hidden from public view as negotiators work out the final details. President Obama insists that this time will be different.

“You need to tell me what's wrong with this trade agreement, not one that was passed 25 years ago,” he said in a recent speech. “We can't just oppose trade on reflex alone.“

I'm having a hard time reconciling those two statements.
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Old 05-04-2015, 01:27 PM
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The president and the legislators are nominally the representatives of the people, our servants by constitutional mandate. We are not theirs. You can argue the functional reality of this 'til the cows come home but popular sovereignty is at the root of our system of government.

And when a corporation has the right to sue a government because laws passed by that government interfere with the corporation's ability to make money in that country, that is a transfer of sovereignty from a nation and its people to that corporation. The compelling interests of a state and its people will then become subservient to the corporate bottom line.
Your HS civics lesson is indeed one of the key pillars supporting our nation's mythology.
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Old 05-04-2015, 01:37 PM
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Your HS civics lesson is indeed one of the key pillars of our nation's philosophy.
So..... nothing, right?
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Old 05-04-2015, 01:53 PM
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So..... nothing, right?
Trying to do two things at the same time just doesn't work.

Had hand written my reply and when transferring to the web left out two key words, mythology became philosophy and didn't proof before posting.
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Trying to do two things at the same time just doesn't work.
I can see where that might be a problem, seeing as how doing one thing "at the same time" seems to give you a tough time.
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Old 05-04-2015, 02:13 PM
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I can see where that might be a problem, seeing as how doing one thing "at the same time" seems to give you a tough time.
Doing one thing at the same time would be a remarkable accomplishment for anyone. I've little doubt you do it with aplomb.
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Old 05-04-2015, 02:28 PM
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Doing one thing at the same time would be a remarkable accomplishment for anyone. I've little doubt you do it with aplomb.
A past master's what I am.

And, as to mythology, a cynic such yourself might argue that mythology is all that holds up any nation state. This being the case, when the mythology is destroyed, so too is the state.
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