Nfl ?

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Chicks

Dallas sportscaster, old, white, but totally gets it. Very well said, well worth a listen.

https://youtu.be/BNJUsE7pEs4

Thanks for posting the link. Understood and accepted by most of us, yet offends a few who basically are hypocrites. The commentator missed mentioning the use of the US flag on bikini's and swimsuits.

[Pio1980]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b02aef6cd6a031

[Pio1980]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b06ddf45f867a0

[Chicks]

Poll: 84% support NFL players right to protest. The other 16% must be Trump's idiot base.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/poll-...164811638.html

[whell]

Originally Posted by Chicks

Poll: 84% support NFL players right to protest. The other 16% must be Trump's idiot base.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/poll-...164811638.html

Fact is, this isn't about "a player's right to protest." As far as I'm concerned, they can protest all they want. But there's a time and a place for everything, and that's not the time or the place.

If I'm an NFL owner, I'm going crazy. These are my employees who work in a very public venue, who are choosing their place of work as their forum to protest. As a result, the story in the press isn't about my product. Its about the workplace activities of my employees that have nothing to do with my product. And there's no doubt that its alienating some of my customers, who pay obscene amounts for the price of admission to see my product. It was also all that the news media talked about early in the week during a full weekend of NFL games.

Take the Green Bay/Chicago game last night for instance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRrukXArFZ8

The players didn't kneel or stay in the locker room, they did the arm link. But Packers fans apparently came prepared to participate in a more traditional manner, some even bringing small USA flags to wave. If I'm an owner, the only way I can interpret that is that the fans were responding to the players behavior. And, for the most part, that reaction didn't favor the players. Whatever the owner's political stance, that ain't good.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by whell

Fact is, this isn't about "a player's right to protest." As far as I'm concerned, they can protest all they want. But there's a time and a place for everything, and that's not the time or the place.

If I'm an NFL owner, I'm going crazy. These are my employees who work in a very public venue, who are choosing their place of work as their forum to protest. As a result, the story in the press isn't about my product. Its about the workplace activities of my employees that have nothing to do with my product. And there's no doubt that its alienating some of my customers, who pay obscene amounts for the price of admission to see my product. It was also all that the news media talked about early in the week during a full weekend of NFL games.

Take the Green Bay/Chicago game last night for instance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRrukXArFZ8

The players didn't kneel or stay in the locker room, they did the arm link. But Packers fans apparently came prepared to participate in a more traditional manner, some even bringing small USA flags to wave. If I'm an owner, the only way I can interpret that is that the fans were responding to the players behavior. And, for the most part, that reaction didn't favor the players. Whatever the owner's political stance, that ain't good.

The owners have formally allowed these forms of protest by the players, then what?

Why they have allowed it has nothing to do with their support of their players First Amendment rights, but that's another story altogether. If only the fans knew how much the owners have given to Trump's political campaigns.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

The owners have formally allowed these forms of protest by the players, then what?

Why they have allowed it has nothing to do with their support of their players First Amendment rights, but that's another story altogether. If only the fans knew how much the owners have given to Trump's political campaigns.

The owners made an error in judgement about how to handle this, but I agree that the owners are not doing this because they're worried about anyone's free speech rights.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Fact is, this isn't about "a player's right to protest." As far as I'm concerned, they can protest all they want. But there's a time and a place for everything, and that's not the time or the place.

Those who don't have the balls to protest racism and oppression don't get to pick the time and place for those who do. Regardless, it's totally inappropriate for a President to tell business owners who to fire and for what reasons. Moreover, the flag is an inanimate piece of cloth that cannot feel "disrespect" directed its way like Muslims, Blacks, women, Muslims, and Hispanics do when disrespected by the President. You must really be pretty stupid to get sucked in by the red meat directed by Trump to GOP rednecks down in Alabama to distract from his myriad failures.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Those who don't have the balls to protest racism and oppression don't get to pick the time and place for those who do. Regardless, it's totally inappropriate for a President to tell business owners who to fire and for what reasons. Moreover, the flag is an inanimate piece of cloth that cannot feel "disrespect" directed its way like Muslims, Blacks, women, Muslims, and Hispanics do when disrespected by the President. You must really be pretty stupid to get sucked in by the red meat directed by Trump to GOP rednecks down in Alabama to distract from his myriad failures.

You're either woefully misincormed, obtuse, or just enjoy putting words in other people's mouth. I'm voting for all three.

As for your remark about how inappropriate it is for a Prez to tell business owners who to fire, I guess you've forgotten all about Rick Wagoner.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by whell

You're either woefully misincormed, obtuse, or just enjoy putting words in other people's mouth. I'm voting for all three.

As for your remark about how inappropriate it is for a Prez to tell business owners who to fire, I guess you've forgotten all about Rick Wagoner.

GM needed a change of management to make the risk of a govt loan possible, that is not equivalent to this politically motivated manufactured tempest in a teapot by the instigator in chief.
https://www.forbes.com/2009/03/30/ri...at-driver.html