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Old 02-23-2019, 11:00 AM
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Chuck Todd Refuses To Give Air Time To Climate Deniers: ‘The Science Is Settled’
“We’re not going to debate climate change, the existence of it. The Earth is getting hotter, and human activity is a major cause. Period.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b05c88b701abd7

Whell and his idiot pals will have to get their fake news from Faux.
Chuck Todd is qualified to make that assessment, of course, based in his extensive study of the climate and his advanced degrees in science that allow him to draw such supportable conclusions. Riiiiggggghhhhhttt.

Here's one of my "idiot pals". Nir J. Shaviv - He holds a doctorate (1996) in physics from the Israel Institute of Technology in Haifa. He spent a year as an IBM Einstein Fellow at the highly prestigious Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, New Jersey (2014 — 2015). He is currently Professor and Chair of the Racah Institute of Physics at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Check out the results of his research, if you even have an open enough mind to do so:

http://www.sciencebits.com/ClimateDebate

Thus, it is no surprise that we find in our GSA Today paper that Cosmic Ray Flux variations appear to be the largest driver of climate change over geological time scales. However, one of the secondary conclusions we reach in the paper is that CO2 had only a secondary climate role over geological time scales, and that Earth's sensitivity to changes in the radiation budget is not as large as most of the climate community believes...

Or, maybe this "idiot": Richard Lindzen. He holds a PhD (1964) in applied mathematics from Harvard University. He is currently Professor Emeritus in the Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at MIT. The guy has a history of absolutely brilliant work, including solving a problem that had been discussed for over 100 years by some of the best minds in physics, including Lord Kelvin, namely, the physics of atmospheric tides (daily variations in global air pressure). He also has provided a theory that competes with the "consensus", and is a critic of the idea that "the science is settled".

There are more. But by simply suggesting that there might be room for continued debate on this idea, those who disagree draw the ire of (ahem) noted intellectual luminaries like (ahem) you, Chuck todd and AOC (how HAS she become the face of the Donkey party anyway???).

Its not "settled science". There's always room for debate. And the lack of willingness to debate and simply demonize those who might not agree that its "settled science", to me, underscores the need for concern and skepticism about those who are willing to push an agenda rather than discuss it.
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Old 02-23-2019, 11:02 AM
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This is FASCINATING. Watching these poor kids, who have come to believe that "the Earth is dying" and that "scientists have said we have 12 years to turn this around" - the indoctrination is sad. "My grandparent's house burned down in the Paradise fire", and then the kids suggests its due to climate change. Then, the come toting the Green New Deal into DiFi's office, and they run smack into a "condescending" DiFi.

She blames the Repubs for blocking Senate action - failing to mention that the Dems had the majority a few times during her tenure.

But these kids are channelling the new face of the Dem party, Ms Ocasio - Cortez, and her "Green New Deal". After a while, even DiFi has enough of the alarm-ism.
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Old 02-23-2019, 11:13 AM
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Chuck Todd is qualified to make that assessment, of course, based in his extensive study of the climate and his advanced degrees in science that allow him to draw such supportable conclusions. Riiiiggggghhhhhttt.

Here's one of my "idiot pals". Nir J. Shaviv - He holds a doctorate (1996) in physics from the Israel Institute of Technology in Haifa. He spent a year as an IBM Einstein Fellow at the highly prestigious Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, New Jersey (2014 — 2015). He is currently Professor and Chair of the Racah Institute of Physics at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Check out the results of his research, if you even have an open enough mind to do so:

http://www.sciencebits.com/ClimateDebate

Thus, it is no surprise that we find in our GSA Today paper that Cosmic Ray Flux variations appear to be the largest driver of climate change over geological time scales. However, one of the secondary conclusions we reach in the paper is that CO2 had only a secondary climate role over geological time scales, and that Earth's sensitivity to changes in the radiation budget is not as large as most of the climate community believes...

Or, maybe this "idiot": Richard Lindzen. He holds a PhD (1964) in applied mathematics from Harvard University. He is currently Professor Emeritus in the Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at MIT. The guy has a history of absolutely brilliant work, including solving a problem that had been discussed for over 100 years by some of the best minds in physics, including Lord Kelvin, namely, the physics of atmospheric tides (daily variations in global air pressure). He also has provided a theory that competes with the "consensus", and is a critic of the idea that "the science is settled".

There are more. But by simply suggesting that there might be room for continued debate on this idea, those who disagree draw the ire of (ahem) noted intellectual luminaries like (ahem) you, Chuck todd and AOC (how HAS she become the face of the Donkey party anyway???).

Its not "settled science". There's always room for debate. And the lack of willingness to debate and simply demonize those who might not agree that its "settled science", to me, underscores the need for concern and skepticism about those who are willing to push an agenda rather than discuss it.
There is always time for actual scientific debate, among good, rational, open-minded scientists. Among politicians, against the closed-minded committed-to-opposition deniers, it's pretty pointless. If you have the votes, do the right thing. If you don't, campaign to get them. That's it.
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Old 02-23-2019, 11:28 AM
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That Whell STILL argues the Big Oil line of bull shows just how incredibly ignorant he is. Sad!

The science is settled, Whell, you f'ing moron.

Here's a scientific refutation of your crackpot: https://www.skepticalscience.com/ske...rd_Lindzen.htm
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Old 02-25-2019, 10:18 AM
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That Whell STILL argues the Big Oil line of bull shows just how incredibly ignorant he is. Sad!

The science is settled, Whell, you f'ing moron.

Here's a scientific refutation of your crackpot: https://www.skepticalscience.com/ske...rd_Lindzen.htm
Speaking of F'ing morons...certainly takes one to know one.

Here's another F'ing moron, and the latest face of the Donkey party, weighing in on climate change. Ya' know? After her latest comments, I might have to start agreeing with you on this topic:

"Our planet is going to hit disaster if we don't turn this ship around and so it's basically like, there's a scientific consensus that the lives of children are going to be very difficult," Ocasio-Cortez said while chopping up food in her kitchen during an Instagram live video. "And it does lead, I think, young people to have a legitimate question, you know, 'Is it okay to still have children?'

So, I guess the Dems need to lead by example. Stop reproducing.

And this is in response to the DiFi video posted earlier:

"This idea that 'I've been working on this for x-amount of years,' um, it's like not good enough," Ocasio-Cortez said. "Like, we need a universal sense of urgency, and people are like trying to introduce watered-down proposals that are frankly going to kill us. A lack of urgency is going to kill us."

So, ya know, if like, we don't like, adopt the Green New Deal like right now...I guess...like, we're all gonna die.

Keep talking, AOC. We love ya!
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Old 02-25-2019, 10:53 AM
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The only saving grace for the climate change deniers is this fact alone. They will be dead and gone before all of the shame is applied by those who follow. Will never know the hatred and ridicule applied towrds them.
Are they just being contrarians or are darker intentions involved? Only they can answer to this, if even aware.
Probably not!
Those who deny will only attack, argue others facts. Having no real science behind their argument. Only opinions and ignorance. Not wanting to believe does not change the facts when shown, rather happy just to ignore in order to be comfortable. Not willing to sacrifice now for the greater good.

Truth be know it maybe already to late for this planet and the human race.
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"Is it ok to still have children?" WTF one more reason to promote policies against births.
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Old 02-25-2019, 11:20 AM
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White House to set up panel to counter climate change consensus, officials say

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...2e9_story.html

Larry, Curly and Moe are onboard, so long as the payola is high enough. Sigh.

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The National Security Council initiative would include scientists who question the severity of climate impacts and the extent to which humans contribute to the problem, according to these individuals, who asked for anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.

The group would not be subject to the same level of public disclosure as a formal advisory committee.

Public records show the coalition, which describes its mission as informing policymakers and the public of the “important contribution made by carbon dioxide to our lives and the economy,” has received money from far-right organizations and donors with fossil fuel interests.

In 2017, according to federal tax filings obtained by the Climate Investigations Center, the group received $170,000 from the Mercer Family Foundation and more than $33,000 from the Charles Koch Institute.
Big Oil simply LOVES morons like Whell, willing and eager to swallow their bullshit unquestionably. Sad!

Don’t like what the real scientists say? Simple. Pay off a bunch of hacks to tell you lies.
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Old 02-25-2019, 11:43 AM
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"Is it ok to still have children?" WTF one more reason to promote policies against births.
That thing zooming over your head is the actual point, which was not to diss having children. It was hyperbole to emphasize the massive concern she thinks is warranted over climate change.

It's generally not a good idea to take hyperbole literally.
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This is FASCINATING. Watching these poor kids, who have come to believe that "the Earth is dying" and that "scientists have said we have 12 years to turn this around" - the indoctrination is sad. "My grandparent's house burned down in the Paradise fire", and then the kids suggests its due to climate change. Then, the come toting the Green New Deal into DiFi's office, and they run smack into a "condescending" DiFi.

She blames the Repubs for blocking Senate action - failing to mention that the Dems had the majority a few times during her tenure.

But these kids are channelling the new face of the Dem party, Ms Ocasio - Cortez, and her "Green New Deal". After a while, even DiFi has enough of the alarm-ism.
CNN? I guess you didn't get the memo, bro.

As usual, you're a tool and a dull one at that. The freshwoman, AOC has you poor old cons in a lather, breathlessly awaiting a leftwing Teabagger movement to destroy the Democratic Party the way your morons destroyed the GOP. I've heard that if you hold your breath long enough, you'll turn blue, Mike.
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