"A stunning victory."

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

...Jews have always been and will always be outsiders. You'd think the rest of the world would be happy to have them insulated in their little chunk of dirt in the middle east and out of everybody's hair. But what fun is life without a decent, established, solid universal scapegoat.

Good God you're a whiner...

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Good God you're a whiner...

See below...

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

But it's not able to be separated. Israel is Jews.

Perhaps but the converse isn't really true, is it? Israel may be Jews but Jews aren't Israel. Many Jews identify with the countries they live in. The reaction among European Jews to Netanyahu's recent "invitation" is proof of that. So is the phenomenon of Israeli Jews returning to their European roots.

And I believe the story of Israel began with the earliest instances of anti-Semitism in recorded history.

There's Babylon, of course, but that's more about territorial conquest than anti-Semitism. And, after the Persians conquered the Babylonians, Cyrus the Great allowed the Jews to go home and assisted them, as did his son and successor Darius the Great, in rebuilding the Temple.

There was even a Jewish Persian queen, Esther. (Luckily for the Jews!)

There's also Casimir the Great of Poland who gave extended an open invitation to the Jews when they were expelled from much of the rest of Europe (because they caused The Plague). He gave them full religious rights and forbade their persecution.

So, yes, the Jews (to put it mildly) have had their enemies but they have also had their benefactors. What annoys me is that many Jews omit the latter from their narrative.

Jews have always been and will always be outsiders.

This, to a large degree, is self-imposed.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by merrylander

And we can go to the British/French games playing to get the Arabs to fight for them during WW I and Lawrence of Arabia and on and on. So why blame it all on the Jews? It was the League of Nations that settled them in Palestine. If history is correct it was the Arabs that started the fighting by slaughtering a group of settlers. Then the Hatfield McCoy thing got started.

They can get along with each other I know from personal experience. While I was lecturing in Herzilya my hosts took me to dinner ay a Palestinian restaurant where it was obvious they were well know by the owner and good friends.

As long as Hamas insists that there is no right for the state to exist discussion is impossible. They plead poverty yet can build million dollar tunnels from Gaza into Israel. With their penchant for suicide bombings Florence did not sleep well until I called her from JFK to tell her I was back. The funny thing us that the people at the lecture treated me with more respect and kindness that I was ever shown here.

Having lived through several wars since WW II I have never observed that blame is always one sided.

Oh c'mon, Rob. Stop making sense.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by merrylander

And we can go to the British/French games playing to get the Arabs to fight for them during WW I and Lawrence of Arabia and on and on.

As I said, it's much older than that. Did you read the link to "The Great Game"?

So why blame it all on the Jews?

Are you suggesting that I do?

They can get along with each other I know from personal experience.

Of course they can. For example, the rather substantial Israeli peace movement is very much multi-ethnic and multi-religious.

[Dondilion]

One should note: the deep historical influence of the Rothschilds on British crown and governments.

No one should doubt that a large influx of Jews especially Europe looking Jews
in that area would cause violence.

BTW according to Wikileaks Mossad was an enabler in the creation of Hamas.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Good God you're a whiner...

Personal attack post reported.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Jews have always been and will always be outsiders. You'd think the rest of the world would be happy to have them insulated in their little chunk of dirt in the middle east and out of everybody's hair. But what fun is life without a decent, established, solid universal scapegoat.

Jews are big insiders just check for instance the US, Britain, Russia and right now two Jews, Poroshenko and Kolomoisky (kolomoyski) are fighting over the commanding heights of Ukraine's economy.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Personal attack post reported.

Truth is a defense.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Truth is a defense.

Since D-Ray made his request for civility you have made at least a half dozen posts containing personal attacks.

You are basically thumbing your nose at him.

I've only reported two of them so far.

It's up to you how this plays out.

What is it you always say?

Originally Posted by Zeke

All you have to do is comply.

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