The Obummer Legacy

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by MrPots

We're paying about 15% of our (pre-tax) income for insurance. That affords me one well visit per year and meds. I could pay those myself out of pocket for about 1/10th of my premium, and I could easily pay to see the doctor more than once a year were it not for the cost of the insurance premium. So basically the mandate takes away my ability to see a doctor.

I think what's happening with this Obamacare is that relatively healthy people are looking at those big co-pays and deductibles and saying "Fuck it, I'll just pay the penalty instead." So the only people signing up ate those with serious conditions that are running up mega bucks in medical expenses. So the health Insurance companies, in spite of their expensive premiums with big co-pays and deductibles, are still not making out like the bandits they had hoped to be. That's why they are dropping out of the exchanges.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I think what's happening with this Obamacare is that relatively healthy people are looking at those big co-pays and deductibles and saying "Fuck it, I'll just pay the penalty instead." So the only people signing up ate those with serious conditions that are running up mega bucks in medical expenses. So the health Insurance companies, in spite of their expensive premiums with big co-pays and deductibles, are still not making out like the bandits they had hoped to be. That's why they are dropping out of the exchanges.

good post Tom

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by MrPots

Did you see that family coverage is now about $18,500 a year?

It was "only" $13,000 a year early in Obama's term. We got scewed..... which is why the established politico needs to go. We're always getting screwed.

I just found out that mine is going up 8% effective Jan. 1st.

Which means I got to pay more in December because of course they make you pay in advance.

Thanks Obummer!

[Pio1980]

So, thats the free market solution to universal health care compromise.



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[68custom]

this is why we should have insisted on single payer which I think we will eventually have. but how long must we wait?

[nailer]

Longer than you or I will be around.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by 68custom

this is why we should have insisted on single payer which I think we will eventually have. but how long must we wait?

Originally Posted by nailer

Longer than you or I will be around.

Because we Americans have been conditioned to think that medical care is something that must be earned.

Change that and you'll get somewhere. But so long as we still have a majority that think shared medical costs is welfare and the sick, the injured and the elderly are just moochers trying to steal from them, single payer will get nowhere.

Sad, but true.

[Tom Joad]

Just found out that the Medicare Part B Premium will be going up to $149 in 2017.

Up from $121.80 in 2016, which was up from $104.90 in 2015.

Thanks again Obummer.

Jesus Christ, it would have been better if Obummer hadn't done a thing to "reform" healthcare!

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by 68custom

this is why we should have insisted on single payer which I think we will eventually have. but how long must we wait?

it set back the eventuality of single payer IMHO

it will now take decades

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

And for all that political capital he pissed away, what do we have to show for it?

Obummer care?

A Program where the government subsidizes the Insurance companies to sell overpriced policies.

I voted for him twice and I gotta admit, I was duped.

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/04/469052...ency-heres-why

not duped.... Obie is a philosopher and diplomat... not a leader or legilator

we hoped for better, we were not dupped

would you vote for Palin if you had it to do over?

Not me.

He did less harm than Bush or Ronnie ray-Gun.

Keep it in perspective.

We hoped for too much.