WWII question

HarmanKardon · #1 06-07-2014, 01:06 AM

90 years ago the barking monster wrote his book "Mein Kampf". It was 1924, nine years before the beginning of his dictatorship. Everybody could read now about his two goals: extinction of the jews and world domination. Sensitive intellecuals like Hermann Hesse, Kurt Tucholsky and many others had a presentment of WWII already then and expressed their warnings in books and newspapers.

1933 the barking monster started his dictatorship and some five years later, around 1938 everybody who wanted to see it could see clearly what would happen pretty soon. 1939 the catastrophe begun by the ambush on Poland. 1940 France was next in line. And so on and on...

My question now: Why didn't intervene nations like the United States or Britain earlier in order to stop the massive insanity, this totally destructive war of conquest?

icenine · #2 06-07-2014, 02:13 AM

In 1924 no one in the rest of the world took him seriously. Why did millions of Germans vote for him in the elections of 1933? His book had been out for 10 years by then.

I would say that the technical answer was that until he started to threaten the stability of Europe and the English dominance (and by proxy our control) of the Northern Atlantic sea lanes no one outside of European continent was too concerned about him.

HarmanKardon · #3 06-07-2014, 03:43 AM

[QUOTE=icenine;223294]In 1924 no one in the rest of the world took him seriously. Why did millions of Germans vote for him in the elections of 1933? His book had been out for 10 years by then.

The barking monster was a brilliant agitator and he promised jobs for milliions of unemployed people, unemploymennt was a huge problem in Germany in the early thirties. The other political parties then were weak and devoid of lacking in ideas. These are some reasons why he was so successful.

donquixote99 · #4 06-07-2014, 10:00 AM

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In 1924 no one in the rest of the world took him seriously. Why did millions of Germans vote for him in the elections of 1933? His book had been out for 10 years by then.

The barking monster was a brilliant agitator and he promised jobs for milliions of unemployed people, unemploymennt was a huge problem in Germany in the early thirties. The other political parties then were weak and devoid of lacking in ideas. These are some reasons why he was so successful.

The rest was that he ran his party as a criminal enterprise that effectively used intimidation, blackmail, and murder to vitiate all opposition, and he rendered the Reichstag non-functional through a strategy of disciplined disruption and trolling by the Nazi delegation. This being in addition, as you note, to being 'fortunate' in the quality of other actors of crucial influence, eg Hindenburg and von Papen.

icenine · #5 06-07-2014, 10:43 AM

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The rest was that he ran his oarty as a criminal enterprise that effectively used intimidation, blackmail, and murder to vitiate all opposition, and he rendered the Reichstag non-functional through a strategy of disciplined disruption and trolling by the Nazi delegation. This being in addition, as you note, to being 'fortunate' in the quality of other actors of crucial influence, eg Hindenburg and von Papen.

However people still voted for him. Millions did.

Dondilion · #6 06-07-2014, 11:52 AM

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However people still voted for him. Millions did.

Hitler had a very effective propaganda machine headed by Goebbels.

For instance he made great use of the government connection to the construction of the Bundesautobahn and Hitlers personal connection to Volkswagen car - Hitler designed the "Peoples' car".

BlueStreak · #7 06-07-2014, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by icenine

The barking monster was a brilliant agitator and he promised jobs for milliions of unemployed people, unemploymennt was a huge problem in Germany in the early thirties. The other political parties then were weak and devoid of lacking in ideas. These are some reasons why he was so successful.

And there's our answer. In less prosperous countries, such as the African nations, warlords gain control of the food & water supply and use it to control the masses. If you don't submit, you don't eat. In the "industrialized" nations such as Germany and the United States.....it's employment that is used in this fashion.

"They who do not work, shall not eat."

Where have we heard THAT from recently?

Have a nice day.

Dave

Tom Joad · #8 06-07-2014, 01:02 PM

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Why did millions of Germans vote for him in the elections of 1933?

Same shit, different day.

HarmanKardon · #9 06-07-2014, 01:14 PM

Well - okay - in a way - but:

Any comparison with the barking monster is at last an inappropriate comparison, in my opinion.

donquixote99 · #10 06-07-2014, 02:04 PM

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Well - okay - in a way - but:

Any comparison with the barking monster is at last an inappropriate comparison, in my opinion.

At root of that sentiment is denial that a repeat of Hitler is possible. But that is exactly similar with the belief that the first one was not possible, which contributed much, I am sure, to the inaction you ask about in the OP.

The insistence that Hitler was unique, and incomparable, is to my mind dangerous. It tells us 'it can't happen again.' But it most definitely can, and the fact that it happened the first time is the undeniable proof.