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Old 07-16-2017, 10:46 AM
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Yeh, I'd keep my mouth shut too if I voted for Jill Stein or wrote in Berrrnie on my ballot.
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Old 07-16-2017, 11:56 AM
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Yeh, I'd keep my mouth shut too if I voted for Jill Stein or wrote in Berrrnie on my ballot.
And if Democrats who claim to be for FDR's New Deal, LBJ's Great Society, and our other social advances had voted for Bernie ...
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Old 07-16-2017, 03:04 PM
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And if Democrats who claim to be for FDR's New Deal, LBJ's Great Society, and our other social advances had voted for Bernie ...
You appear to have forgoten who it was tried to introduce a healthcare plan back in 1994.
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Old 07-16-2017, 04:16 PM
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You appear to have forgoten who it was tried to introduce a healthcare plan back in 1994.
And she failed miserably at that if I recall correctly.
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The problem then is the same as it is with the ACA. It is a one trillion dollar tax on the middle class.

Curious what the Bernie types are going to come up with when you are a sucker if you work, if that is not already the case.
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The problem then is the same as it is with the ACA. It is a one trillion dollar tax on the middle class.

Curious what the Bernie types are going to come up with when you are a sucker if you work, if that is not already the case.
What facts support your opinion that "you are a sucker if you work?"
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:28 AM
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What facts support your opinion that "you are a sucker if you work?"
"Facts" ? I love it. Yours or mine.

Fact is you can find evidence to support whatever you already believe.
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Old 07-16-2017, 11:03 PM
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The problem then is the same as it is with the ACA. It is a one trillion dollar tax on the middle class.

Curious what the Bernie types are going to come up with when you are a sucker if you work, if that is not already the case.
A good system would benefit what passes nowadays for the middle class, like the taxes that pay for infrastructure, if single payer/ full participation.
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[QUOTE=ZeroJunk;357309]The problem then is the same as it is with the ACA. It is a one trillion dollar tax on the middle class.QUOTE]

Zero, would you please post your facts showing this? I ask because I posted my set of facts here... AGAIN

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/4944...5%3a00%3a00%27

Here is a nice little graph from the Congressional Budget Office, ZeroJunk. Do you again want to repeat that the middle class bear the brunt of ObamaCare costs? You are using the Republican strategy of projecting an improperly analyzed cause/effect relationship to achieve political talking points.

The middle class is bearing a larger PROPORTION of taxes, as the progressive nature of the tax base is reduced for the very wealthy(under the guise that the wealthy will magically transform into job creators,) while ignoring the fact that the middle class has seen a stagnant hourly wage over the past 45 years.

It is not taxes that are decimating the middle class, it is the lack of wealth transference coupled with earning stagnation. ACA is but a bandaid in the longterm economic process for the US.

Meanwhile, the wealthy are happily standing in line, eager for the coming tax cuts and increasing wealth disparity the Republicans are promising.

And please do provide your synopsis of that tax graph, specifically.

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The problem then is the same as it is with the ACA. It is a one trillion dollar tax on the middle class.QUOTE]

Zero, would you please post your facts showing this? I ask because I posted my set of facts here... AGAIN

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/4944...5%3a00%3a00%27

Here is a nice little graph from the Congressional Budget Office, ZeroJunk. Do you again want to repeat that the middle class bear the brunt of ObamaCare costs? You are using the Republican strategy of projecting an improperly analyzed cause/effect relationship to achieve political talking points.

The middle class is bearing a larger PROPORTION of taxes, as the progressive nature of the tax base is reduced for the very wealthy(under the guise that the wealthy will magically transform into job creators,) while ignoring the fact that the middle class has seen a stagnant hourly wage over the past 45 years.

It is not taxes that are decimating the middle class, it is the lack of wealth transference coupled with earning stagnation. ACA is but a bandaid in the longterm economic process for the US.

Meanwhile, the wealthy are happily standing in line, eager for the coming tax cuts and increasing wealth disparity the Republicans are promising.

And please do provide your synopsis of that tax graph, specifically.
Your link does not work. But, although SCOTUS said it was a tax I don't think that insurance premiums show up as taxes.

I paid more than 25% of my gross income last year for health insurance. And, I am not the exception.
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