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11-09-2016, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by donquixote99
Bullshit? You're a bit quick on the trigger there, Dondi. Let's look at the data:
In table, first three columns are the vote % received, by Clinton, Trump, and all others together. Fourth column is trump's margin of victory over Clinton. If column 3 exceeds column 4, column 5 shows the number of electoral votes potentially flipped if enough 'other' votes had gone to Clinton instead.
Make of it what you will. Mainly, I think this shows that Hillary was not an awful candidate, she was a competitive candidate. But she was ultimately defeated by her own negatives driving votes to third party candidates.
I stand by my claim that if all who didn't want Trump had voted for Hillary, we wouldn't have Trump.
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The notion that all, or a majority even, of the other candidate votes would have gone to Hillary had it been only her and Trump on the ballot is patently absurd. If that had been the case here I believe I would have left the Presidential block blank.
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11-09-2016, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Joad
The notion that all, or a majority even, of the other candidate votes would have gone to Hillary had it been only her and Trump on the ballot is patently absurd. If that had been the case here I believe I would have left the Presidential block blank.
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I missed that assumption. Absurd is a good description.
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11-09-2016, 03:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by donquixote99
Bullshit? You're a bit quick on the trigger there, Dondi. Let's look at the data:
In table, first three columns are the vote % received, by Clinton, Trump, and all others together. Fourth column is trump's margin of victory over Clinton. If column 3 exceeds column 4, column 5 shows the number of electoral votes potentially flipped if enough 'other' votes had gone to Clinton instead.
Make of it what you will. Mainly, I think this shows that Hillary was not an awful candidate, she was a competitive candidate. But she was ultimately defeated by her own negatives driving votes to third party candidates.
I stand by my claim that if all who didn't want Trump had voted for Hillary, we wouldn't have Trump.
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You have to recognize and account for the sort of candidate, Hell, the sort of human being, Trump is. It took an extremely weak and flawed candidate to led him get to within 150,000 votes out of the 125,000,000 votes cast.
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11-09-2016, 01:16 PM
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Do you see me claiming it was likely for libertarians to vote for Hillary?
Is it your claim that all the Johnson voters are libertarians?
I stand by the claims I have actually made, which do not include any probability estimates of votes changing. Though it raises an interesting notion. What if presidential elections were, say, a best of seven series?
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11-11-2016, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by donquixote99
Do you see me claiming it was likely for libertarians to vote for Hillary?
Is it your claim that all the Johnson voters are libertarians?
I stand by the claims I have actually made, which do not include any probability estimates of votes changing. Though it raises an interesting notion. What if presidential elections were, say, a best of seven series?
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Or in a more sensible vein based on first past the post, i.e., majority. then again the Electoral College is not bound by the Constitution and Amendments to accept the voter's wishes.
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11-09-2016, 01:28 PM
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Man oh man. Someone needs to keep sharp objects far away from Don today.
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11-09-2016, 01:45 PM
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Man oh man. Someone needs to keep sharp objects far away from Don today.
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Oh, no worries, unless you were planning on dropping over. But in that case, you'd better add blunt objects to the list.
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11-09-2016, 01:47 PM
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Simply put, the voters rejected a Clinton dynasty like the Bush dynasty was rejected in the primaries.
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11-09-2016, 02:12 PM
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Simply put, the voters rejected a Clinton dynasty like the Bush dynasty was rejected in the primaries.
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So far I've seen the Hillary people point their blame fingers just about everywhere except the right place.
Not one of them will admit that Bernie should have been the nominee.
I hope with time they figure it out.
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11-09-2016, 02:17 PM
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You see what you want to see, like most people.
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