Socialized Medicine - If you can't cure 'em, kill 'em.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

It was hard enough on the family without actually having him killed.

Pete

As opposed to how hard it all was for him.

I find this attitude profoundly selfish.

John

[piece-itpete]

I have no doubt - none - that it is exactly how he would've wanted it.

He never would've put that guilt on his family.

Pete

[Bigerik]

Again, an example of how profit meddles with the proper functioning of a health care system. As usual, the interests of the corporation giving the care are fundamentally different than the person receiving it.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by whell

There's a bit of a difference between being made comfortable while nature takes its course, and assisted suicide, dontcha think?

You are assuming that in all cases the Hospice can make a death less terrible. In some cases, like cancer, a death at a hospice can be still be painful and awful despite well-meaning care to cause as least discomfort as possible. You assume much.

[icenine]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,496710.column

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I have no doubt - none - that it is exactly how he would've wanted it.

He never would've put that guilt on his family.

Pete

Guilt? There's nothing to feel guilty about.

John

[piece-itpete]

They felt guilty just putting him in hospice.

Pete

[wgrr]

Originally Posted by whell

Looks like folks are dying to be a part of socialized medicine.

http://www.france24.com/en/20121218-...mers-sufferers

http://www.france24.com/en/20121218-...lerated-deaths

Are you fucking kidding!? How many people die from lack of insurance everyday in this country. People who cannot afford primary care, and don't have insurance, rely on emergency rooms for primary care, when it is too late to cure an illness that is fatal. THAT IS A REAL DEATH PANEL!

I am sick of this shit that we have to buy insurance from capitalist vultures whose only concern is profit. There should be no profit in medical care. Medical professionals should be paid well and be happy at work. Everyone should have access to primary care that is NOT provided by an employer insurance program. It is called Medicare part E. Medicare for everyone. With slight changes in the tax code and the closing of some of the 700 military bases around the world it is easily achievable.

The military is a major contributor to the budget deficit. Time to get out the hedge trimmers and scale it way back. We are not safer today because we got thousands of Americans killed and hundreds of thousands of Afghani's, Pakistani's, and Iragi's killed in senseless wars to keep the military industrial complex happy and the money rolling in.

I could go on but, whell will never get it until he is dying of an incurable disease, and wants to end his life because the pain killers no longer work. I have seen it up close and personal.

I know my grandmother euthanized my step-grandfather in the 60's when he was dying of incurable lung cancer. She was the head resident nurse at a large hospital in Philadelphia, in the 60's, and had ample access to the drugs to do it. She was a wise woman that worked in her field until she was 76. She died at 93.

God rest her kind merciful soul. The deed must have been excruciatingly painful for her and my grandpa. Bear in mind they were in there 50's at the time. I am glad grandpa had such a wonderful wife that would end his suffering knowing how bad it was.

Merry Christmas and a happy New Year everyone.

[bobabode]

Poor whellie, It's that sick idea that people are just assets/tools to be utilized until they've served their useful life and profitable purpose that colors his opinions. Too sad.

It's just business right, whell? Nothing to get your knickers in a bunch over.

[mpholland]

My stepmother is an RN at a nursing home near here. I don't visit her at work...the place just smells of death. I remember watching what she had to go through as my dad died from the outside in from ALS. He was in his mid 60's. I got to witness my mother go through my stepfather dying from emphysema and lung cancer. When the chemo and radiation did nothing but break up the cancer and spread it through the rest of his body and into his brain until the emphysema and pneumonia decided to bless him with congestive heart failure. He was in his early 50's. My mother was an LPN and loved working in the Alzheimer/dementia ward. She loved it so much she took dementia patients into her home after she retired. Now mom just got diagnosed with lung cancer last month and we get to go through that with her. I get to selfishly mourn the fact that she won't be around for me any longer soon, but she will be the one really "going through" shit. She has already told the docs to piss off, she won't be a guinea pig for them. She has already made it perfectly clear that nobody is to do anything except to keep her as pain free as possible until she goes. If any of them at any time would have been able to just "GO" instead of having to endure what they went through I would have done anything in my power to make it happen. So I just have two words for you Whell.

Fuck you!