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09-21-2015, 04:03 AM
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Volkswagen - What's got into you???
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09-21-2015, 08:13 AM
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09-21-2015, 08:46 AM
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Quite a surprise from VW. Their TDI engines do indeed get fantastic performance and mileage (I rented an Audi A4 TDI on my recent visit to Germany). Now, the reason behind it becomes clear. Hopefully, BMW and Daimler didn't do the same thing.
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09-21-2015, 10:48 AM
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The number I've seen thrown around was for a fine of $13 billion.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...921-story.html
"Volkswagen shares tumbled almost 20% Monday, a day after the company's chief executive apologized for having “broken the trust” of its customers for evading U.S. emissions regulations." LATimes
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09-21-2015, 11:27 AM
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I have seen fines quoted as high as $18 Billion in Europe but that's only a guestimate at this time. Potential financial damage to the company from lawsuits will add to this number; one class action lawsuit is already in the works.
Seems like VW has already admitted to their guilt informally and have suspended the sales of their TDI models in the US. Mind boggling that a company of VW's stature worldwide has to cheat with their emission controls which eventually would have come to light anyway. What were they thinking? this is like cheating on taxes that would not stand up to an audit.
My last two VW's were 1971 & 1975 so I have no recent experience with VW cars.
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09-21-2015, 01:08 PM
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All I can say is that this story is painfully embarrassing. Volkswagen does not need to do such a CRIMINAL OFFENCE - actually it is nothing else but this. Mr. Winterkorn - clear up your company!
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09-21-2015, 01:47 PM
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Why the hell would they risk it??
I'd assume someone in upper management somehow made a killing off it before retiring. Then it was someone else's problem.
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09-22-2015, 09:12 AM
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Why the hell would they risk it??
I'd assume someone in upper management somehow made a killing off it before retiring. Then it was someone else's problem.
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Well since they have a poor reliability record VW probably wanted to spare their customers trips to the dealer to deal with emission problems since they have to go there all the time for engine repairs. I thought about a TDI when I saw some on sale here on base but I went with a Honda instead.
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09-22-2015, 10:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by icenine
Well since they have a poor reliability record VW probably wanted to spare their customers trips to the dealer to deal with emission problems since they have to go there all the time for engine repairs. I thought about a TDI when I saw some on sale here on base but I went with a Honda instead.
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I believe that the original reliability issues began with cars assembled in Mexico. I too thought about a TDI wagon but was discouraged (though great mileage) and instead bought an AWD Honda Element for my wife.
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09-22-2015, 10:17 AM
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Quote:
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I believe that the original reliability issues began with cars assembled in Mexico. I too thought about a TDI wagon but was discouraged (though great mileage) and instead bought an AWD Honda Element for my wife.
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I keep hearing about how expensive German designed cars are to maintain.
True or not I do not want to take chances. I think I paid about $3000 for various repairs to my CRV between 2006-2015, and some of those were at the dealer and some where more expensive because I needed it done THAT day.
I would be afraid to think what one trip to a BMW dealer would be.
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