Should Al Franken Resign?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Not only are you factually challenged, you're apparently now reading words that aren't there. And you must have also failed to read the linked article. You just went straight for the attempted slam...and failed miserably. Congratulations.

Here it is again, from your favorite rag:

The outrage against the Republican Senate candidate from Alabama is entirely fitting, but the terminology is not. Moore is not a pedophile. If you believe his accusers, as we do, he is a powerful man who has serially harassed and even assaulted teenage girls.

The difference matters. Moore’s alleged crime was not a sexual orientation toward children. It was his willingness to exploit the unequal power structures of gender and age to victimize young girls who couldn’t stand up to him. To understand Moore as a monster outside medical or societal norms is to ignore the ways that his position enabled him to take advantage of his alleged victims.

Wow...he's sounding more and more like Clinton, Franken and Conyers all the time.

Mince words as you wish. He sexually assaulted minors and you're defending him just like your boy James O'Keefe attempted to do and your Dear Leader did. As an unapologetic Trump and Moore defender, your morals are in the gutter.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Mince words as you wish. He sexually assaulted minors and you're defending him just like your boy James O'Keefe attempted to do and your Dear Leader did. As an unapologetic Trump and Moore defender, your morals are in the gutter.

Your seem to enjoy writing factually deficient posts like the one above, but as usual, I'm here to help you.

I'm not "defending" anyone, you don't seem to understand the difference between an allegation and reality. The allegations against Moore lack proof, and some of the allegations are factually deficient. The allegations against Franken are accompanied by photographic evidence, as well as his own lame - ass "apologies" and lack of denial.

I've not rushed to judgement on Moore, as you have. I've said - now for the third time at least - that the guy is creepy (not much of a defense, is it?). The allegations against Moore lack proof, and some of the allegations are factually deficient as well as 30 years old. Moore denies them, though some of his comments leave one wondering. I simply don't have enough evidence to race to a conclusion as you have.

Also, I'm not "mincing words", I'm simply quoting from your favorite paper. For you to suggest that I'm "mincing words" by posting quotes individuals who have far more expertise in this area than you and I combined is pathetic.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Your seem to enjoy writing factually deficient posts like the one above, but as usual, I'm here to help you.

I'm not "defending" anyone, you don't seem to understand the difference between an allegation and reality. The allegations against Moore lack proof...

Witness testimony is evidence in a court of law, dimwit, and the Post had 9 victims and nearly thirty sources for their story. Now, we have Project Veritas (funded in part by Breitbart and Trump) actively trying to discredit the Post. If the Post's allegations were not true, why the subterfuge? It seems you'd rather believe a known scofflaw like Moore over 9 victims and 30 other sources as long as he shrieks "fake news."

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by whell

Your seem to enjoy writing factually deficient posts like the one above, but as usual, I'm here to help you.

In 1994 a half dozen assholes stood by and watched Donald Trump and his pal Jeffrey Epstein rape a 13 year old girl in a back bedroom at a Manhattan party. Help me out with this, scumbag.

And you can forget about the woman dropping the case...she dropped the case when the death threats started pouring in.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

In 1994 a half dozen assholes stood by and watched Donald Trump and his pal Jeffrey Epstein rape a 13 year old girl in a back bedroom at a Manhattan party. Help me out with this, scumbag.

And you can forget about the woman dropping the case...she dropped the case when the death threats started pouring in.

Another load of lefty clap-trap. Let me help you with your facts, which are as screwed up as Finn's. This case has surfaced more than once, and has been withdrawn or thrown out more than once:

Two earlier suits were filed over the same alleged events.

The first suit over the alleged rapes was filed in federal court in Riverside, California, in April by someone acting without an attorney and using the name "Katie Johnson." That suit named both Trump and Epstein as defendants, alleging that the two men held Johnson as a "sex slave" and repeatedly forced her to engage in sexual acts against her will.

Subsequent news reports raised doubts about who filed the suit. Johnson claimed she had just $300 in assets and that she was living at a home in Twentynine Palms, California, but Radar Online reported neighbors said the home had been foreclosed upon and vacant since its owner died last year.

U.S. District Court Judge Dolly Gee dismissed that case in May, ruling that Johnson's complaint didn't raise valid claims under federal law. Gee, an appointee of President Barack Obama, noted that the suit cited a criminal statute that doesn't give rise to civil damages and that the civil statute Johnson cited only applies to actions based on "race-based or class-based animus."

Another version of the suit was filed in federal court in June, but withdrawn in September after apparently never being served on the defendants.

The case was refiled later that month.

The second and third iterations of the complaint accused Trump of only a single act of rape, but said he had "sexual contact" with the accuser on three other occasions. A declaration from an anonymous witness attached to the later suits continued to accuse Trump of four acts of rape or sexual assault.

As far as Jeffrey Epstein, I'd think that Bill Clinton would better first hand info about his activities.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by whell

I've not rushed to judgement on Moore, as you have. I've said - now for the third time at least - that the guy is creepy (not much of a defense, is it?). The allegations against Moore lack proof, and some of the allegations are factually deficient as well as 30 years old. Moore denies them, though some of his comments leave one wondering. I simply don't have enough evidence to race to a conclusion as you have.

It all depends on where set your bar. If the nine women are lying, which is what you are claiming (and please don't give any shit about you did not imply this), why isn't Moore suing them?

Clinton denied too.
Trump still denies.
And you are too.

Moore is a lying, cheating asshole that got canned twice from the AL Supreme Court. Why is he now qualified to be a Senator?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

I'm not "defending" anyone, ..."

You seem to be imitating Fox's Tucker Carlson with your "I'm not defending ..." every time you are reflexively defending Trump, Moore and some other idiot.

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