IS/Daesh Burn POW Alive

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by JJIII

Edit...

Upon reflection, I've been suckered into another bit of a crap-slinging contest. Please ignore my last post. you guys go ahead and roll in the muck. I'll sit over here and drink my beer and watch.

I am with you on this, not worth the effort and could get caught up in the crossfire.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Exactly.

We took out Saddamn, left a power vacuum, and it's being filled by ISIS, which is our Frankenstein's monster.

The Saudis were a big help though.

Prince Bandar told him (Sir Richard Dearlove, former head of MI6): “The time is not far off in the Middle East, Richard, when it will be literally ‘God help the Shia’. More than a billion Sunnis have simply had enough of them.”

http://levantreport.com/2014/07/14/f...the-beginning/

John

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by JJIII

Well now, that adds a lot

Adds more than another petulantly childish FUCK BIBI post.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Fuck you asshole.

So, now, you can't even effectively support a sound argument?

No wonder your normally lame ones are so embarrassing.

[icenine]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casual...f_the_Iraq_War

https://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Do not get me wrong. America did this, not Republicans or Democrats. I hate ISIS just like everyone else and I want to see Jihadi Johnny's head on a spike. However, I get the feeling that with 100,000 plus dead in Iraq because of our invasion we are probably not too popular over there. I often wonder how many ISIS members were disenfranchised because of our invasion, perhaps they have relatives who died during the war or their families lost jobs and homes because Saddam was overthrown.

The poor souls who were in Syria and got kidnapped by ISIS and beheaded happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. They probably were not counting on the border with Iraq dissolving and a hoard of pissed off Sunni Iraqis coming into Syria because of the vacuum caused by Assad's scorched earth policy when fighting the rebels there.

I imagine being a European or American in the Levant right now amounts to a death sentence.
Problem is how do we solve this without creating another ISIS in the process. I tend to believe ISIS is a Sunni organization that is primarily the descendant of Al Qaeda and the insurgents we fought against...they might eventually want to overthrow Saudi Arabia but I am more convinced they want Anbar back. Remember Baghdadi was a prisoner in Baghdad during the war because he was a member of Al Qaeda in Iraq,

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Zeke

So, now, you can't even effectively support a sound argument?

.

There was no argument Zeke.

You concurred with my post.

It was a show of my unconditional hate for you.

[Rajoo]

I was quite surprised to find out recently that OSL was quite a hero to Pakistani's despite the billions of $'s US have given them in the past and continue to do so. I acribe this to the backlash to our invasion of Iraq.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by icenine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casual...f_the_Iraq_War

https://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Do not get me wrong. America did this, not Republicans or Democrats. I hate ISIS just like everyone else and I want to see Jihadi Johnny's head on a spike. However, I get the feeling that with 100,000 plus dead in Iraq because of our invasion we are probably not too popular over there. I often wonder how many ISIS members were disenfranchised because of our invasion, perhaps they have relatives who died during the war or their families lost jobs and homes because Saddam was overthrown.

The poor souls who were in Syria and got kidnapped by ISIS and beheaded happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. They probably were not counting on the border with Iraq dissolving and a hoard of pissed off Sunni Iraqis coming into Syria because of the vacuum caused by Assad's scorched earth policy when fighting the rebels there.

I imagine being a European or American in the Levant right now amounts to a death sentence.
Problem is how do we solve this without creating another ISIS in the process. I tend to believe ISIS is a Sunni organization that is primarily the descendant of Al Qaeda and the insurgents we fought against...they might eventually want to overthrow Saudi Arabia but I am more convinced they want Anbar back. Remember Baghdadi was a prisoner in Baghdad during the war because he was a member of Al Qaeda in Iraq,

Don't forget that we handed the country over to the Shi'ites who then proceeded to do a little ethnic cleansing.

Don't forget that we disbanded the Sunni-led Iraqi army, leaving talented and experienced soldiers with no job and a huge resentment.

Don't forget "de-Baathification" when we took all the experienced bureaucrats, technocrats and professionals (who had to join the Baath Party to hold their positions) and tossed them out in the street.

We gave Daesh the will and the means to conduct effective warfare and the talent to effectively administer the areas under their control.

John

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by JJIII

I'll sit over here and drink my beer and watch.

I'm pourin' Weller 12 out here in Calitucky, just pickin' and a grinnin' on my old Guild six string.
Stop on by John. We'll annoy the neighbors with some loud music on those big Vandies, I'm runnin' them with a GFA 555 on each.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

I was quite surprised to find out recently that OSL was quite a hero to Pakistani's despite the billions of $'s US have given them in the past and continue to do so. I acribe this to the backlash to our invasion of Iraq.

Pakistan is not a mono ethnic culture. The major groups are the Punjabi and
the Pashtuns. The Pashtuns straddle both Afghanistan and Pakistan. They often primarily identify with tribe instead of country.

OSL was a hero especially to the Pashtuns it is said he was pissed because we station troops in the Holy parts of Saudi Arabia.

Our relation with Pakistan is a very complex one. Pakistan is able to "extort"
US financial assistance essentially because it is the only Muslim country with
nuclear weapons.