Zimmerman trial starts today. - Page 37

Zeke · #**361** 07-10-2013, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Charles

Yeah, but I'm an attention hog.

That should be obvious by now.

And, according to my previous statement concerning a confrontation, that if you can leave, or even run away...

I'll be taking my own advice,

Chas

Leaving or running away is the legal, moral and ethical thing to do versus taking a life. (Agreed.)

Taking a life due to a confrontation that you cause is none of the three.

Zeke · #**362** 07-10-2013, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by stereocuuple

i have a very strong background in criminal law.

For the record, here is the troglodytic assertion to knowledge of "law" of which I was previously referring.

I am, generally, in alignment with everything postulated by Charles's eloquent post.

noonereal · #**363** 07-10-2013, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Charles

Go easy.

This has to be the most ideologically driven issue I've encountered here at PC. There is very little common ground.

No reason to lose your temper...like I just did.

Chas

I don't know.

Yeah this is a cultural debate nothin' more. That said, no need to not get testy.

Don't forget, my culture is better than yours.

Rajoo · #**364** 07-10-2013, 06:53 PM

Only Zimmerman and Martin would know what exactly happened. Unfortunately Martin is dead and Zimmerman has declined to take the witness stand. Fact remains that Zimmerman should not have pursued Martin with a loaded concealed weapon regardless of the circumstances since law enforcement asked him not to nor did he have a right to do so.

So now it's up to the media driven court to decide the outcome and I am still betting that Zimmerman will walk on a reduced charge. Just a hunch from the legal proceedings since it has not been proven that Zimmerman did not fire his gun in self defense. If this is a civil case, Zimmerman will lose by a mile since he did pursue an unarmed kid with a concealed loaded gun.

barbara · #**365** 07-10-2013, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by stereocuuple

the answer is simple. Nothing.

Mr Zimmerman should have made available to him the same resources and treatment that any law enforcement officer gets after being involved in a shooting. after that has taken place a report would be made to the police and if found emotionally competent his firearm should be returned.

Baloney!
Zimmerman was not a law enforcement officer. Saying that Zimmerman should get the same treatment is an insult to officers who have extensive training and honed skills.

barbara · #**366** 07-10-2013, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BeamOn

Only Zimmerman and Martin would know what exactly happened. Unfortunately Martin is dead and Zimmerman has declined to take the witness stand. Fact remains that Zimmerman should not have pursued Martin with a loaded concealed weapon regardless of the circumstances since law enforcement asked him not to nor did he have a right to do so.

So now it's up to the media driven court to decide the outcome and I am still betting that Zimmerman will walk on a reduced charge. Just a hunch from the legal proceedings since it has not been proven that Zimmerman did not fire his gun in self defense. If this is a civil case, Zimmerman will lose by a mile since he did pursue an unarmed kid with a concealed loaded gun.

BeamOn, I agree. The prosecution did a terrible job in my opinion. They should have focused on the fact that Zimmerman followed the kid after being told not to by authorities.

Wasillaguy · #**367** 07-10-2013, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BeamOn

Fact remains that Zimmerman should not have pursued Martin with a loaded concealed weapon regardless of the circumstances since law enforcement asked him not to nor did he have a right to do so.

I must have missed something. Can you point me to a source that says LE asked him not to pursue?
I've heard the 911 call, but never heard a request he not pursue.
Never heard any direction not to pursue either.
I heard Zimmerman say he was going to follow and watch, and LE simply informing him that they did not need him to do so. This left Zimmerman with the option of doing so if he chose. He chose to try to keep Trayvon in sight.

noonereal · #**368** 07-10-2013, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

This left Zimmerman with the option of doing so if he chose. He chose to try to keep Trayvon in sight.

Come on. This is so disingenuous there is no point in debating.

Rex E. · #**369** 07-10-2013, 08:34 PM

Used to be a day when a good god fearing patriot would say, "You go looking for a fight you take your lumps" now they say "I can start shit with you and if you do anything about it I can shoot you and get away with it"

My how things have changed.

noonereal · #**370** 07-10-2013, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by barbara

BeamOn, I agree. The prosecution did a terrible job in my opinion. They should have focused on the fact that Zimmerman followed the kid after being told not to by authorities.

They should have focused on the fact that an armed adult stalked a 17 year old kid and then killed him.

He chose Trayvon to stalk because he was black and he though all black men were suspicious. This is easily exposed.

Zim took fighting lessons and carried a gun. Then he spent his days looking for trouble. Trouble he always saw in black.

This is a hard case to lose but this prosecution team just might.