"Anchor Babies" and the 14th Amendment

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Charles

I will admit, you op ed piece IS better written!!!

Chas

And accurate to boot!

The Right Wingers have been making noise about the "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" stipulation and claiming that an undocumented alien isn't.

Subject, that is.

To US jurisdiction.

Of course, that's ridiculous. Aliens, undocumented and otherwise, are most definitely subject to our jurisdiction and laws.

This distinction was included in the amendment basically to distinguish between diplomats (protected from our jurisdiction by Diplomatic Immunity) and their offspring born here and everyone else.

John

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Boreas

And accurate to boot!

The Right Wingers have been making noise about the "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" stipulation and claiming that an undocumented alien isn't.

Subject, that is.

To US jurisdiction.

Of course, that's ridiculous. Aliens, undocumented and otherwise, are most definitely subject to our jurisdiction and laws.

This distinction was included in the amendment basically to distinguish between diplomats (protected from our jurisdiction by Diplomatic Immunity) and their offspring born here and everyone else.

John

What can I say?

Yesterday I couldn't even spell xenophobe, and today I are one!!!

Chas

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Charles

What can I say?

Yesterday I couldn't even spell xenophobe, and today I are one!!!

Chas

Kungrajalashins!

Jnoh

[finnbow]

I'm pretty convinced this maroon cannot spell xenophobe, and he's a Congressman. OTOH, he is a Texas Republican.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dorCLFVpzyo

[Zeke]

Reality is this: via the most recent census, <5% of the population of the United States can trace their lineage back to something other than a parallel to "anchor baby" status. (I am one of them.)

Those who, now, oppose the broad 14th Amendment are just hypocrites.

Seriously. If direct ancestors did not meet the Mayflower from the shore, these folks need a warm glass of STFU.

[Boreas]

A gift for the newborn.

John

[merrylander]

Male chauvinist, no pink ones?

[whell]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Reality is this: via the most recent census, <5% of the population of the United States can trace their lineage back to something other than a parallel to "anchor baby" status. (I am one of them.)

Those who, now, oppose the broad 14th Amendment are just hypocrites.

Seriously. If direct ancestors did not meet the Mayflower from the shore, these folks need a warm glass of STFU.

Count me as a hypocrite, I guess.

I know many folks frame the open borders argument in these terms. However, using the "we're all immigrants, so open the borders" argument, and the emotionalism attached to it, doesn't really withstand scrutiny.

None of my grandparents were born in the USA. They came to the US from Canada or Great Britain. However, there was a process then, as there is now, to apply for and be granted resident status or citizenship status.

A country has every right to control its borders. It is the first order of business for a government to protect and control its borders, and manage the influx of visitors, and potential short term or long term residents. Countries do this to protect the current population / citizenry, and well as manage the social and economic impact of immigration. The US currently does an inadequate job of managing immigration and managing ingress. This is central to the complaint of many current US citizens.

That said, I don't disagree that the fixing the lack of current border control should focus on the Anchor Baby issue. Frankly, I think it is a distraction to the real issue of border control.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Charles

What can I say?

Yesterday I couldn't even spell xenophobe, and today I are one!!!

Chas

That's "is" one.

We citified sophisticates get so tired of correcting you cornpones..........

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Just as a side note;

You do realize the slur "WOP", usually used against Italians, meant "WithOut Papers". That's right. Folks from Italy who snuck past immigration, and entered the country illegally. Some of them came here running from the law and set up powerful crime syndicates once they got here. Mafia families that we still fight to this very day.

So my point is; We've been here before. Maybe not on the same scale, but we've been here.

Oh, and as I recall, we had the same thing going on with Cubans in the 1980's. So, I guess this is all Reagans fault?

Dave