Siemens Corporation

[d-ray657]

It appears that the Siemens corporation is the epitome of a multinational corporation. According to Wikipedia, it has operations in 190 countries. Siemens originated in Germany.

Last I heard, Germany was an ally. It appears, however, that Siemens has provided a great deal of the technology for the Iranian Nuclear program. What should be done when there is a disconnect between international security and corporate interests?

Regards,

D-Ray

[BlueStreak]

But, Don, they did it to make a profit, which is always a good thing. Right?

Dave

[Charles]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

It appears that the Siemens corporation is the epitome of a multinational corporation. According to Wikipedia, it has operations in 190 countries. Siemens originated in Germany.

Last I heard, Germany was an ally. It appears, however, that Siemens has provided a great deal of the technology for the Iranian Nuclear program. What should be done when there is a disconnect between international security and corporate interests?

Regards,

D-Ray

I think we should lock the CEO up...just like we did with Bernard Schwartz.

The giant internationals and been selling technology and tools to both sides every since the earth cooled. And even if those in charge are prosecuted, they wind up doing less time than the guy who stuck up the liquor store.

Chas

[d-ray657]

Venerable old IBM was a Nazi collaborator too.

I wasn't suggesting locking anyone up. My question was more along the lines is there anything structural that could impose a conscience on these "persons?" As it is, profit has no allies nor any enemies. It exists to serve its own purposes. In our world it has become a value taking precedence over any other. This is just another example of that phenomenon.

Regards,

D-Ray

[finnbow]

How about Standard Oil and DuPont's cooperation with the Nazi's and IG Farben (maker of Zyklon B, BTW). Nothing new here.

[piece-itpete]

Iirc German companies are well known for their amoral sales operations to enemies of the west.

Pete

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Iirc German companies are well known for their amoral sales operations to enemies of the west.

Pete

You have probably used the correct description, but in my little world the whole concept is immoral.

Regards,

D-Ray

[whell]

I have to wonder what the laws in Germany look like for a company that operates potentially outside of German national/foreign policy interests. For instance, I would suspect that Seimens is not delivering supplies and materials to Iran via a German - based entity. They may be doing it though one of their many subsidiaries based outside of Germany, and do so in compliance with the laws where that subsidiary operates. How does German law treat that scenario?

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by whell

I have to wonder what the laws in Germany look like for a company that operates potentially outside of German national/foreign policy interests. For instance, I would suspect that Seimens is not delivering supplies and materials to Iran via a German - based entity. They may be doing it though one of their many subsidiaries based outside of Germany, and do so in compliance with the laws where that subsidiary operates. How does German law treat that scenario?

Uh - I dunno. My inquiry was more an ethical puzzle. Does it turn out that the ultimate value set in the western world places profit at the top.

Regards,

D-Ray

[finnbow]

I think the Germans (and the French, among others in Western Europe) take a more pragmatic view than we do (i.e., somebody somewhere is going to sell this stuff to them. It might as well be us).

BTW, we were among those who sold the precursor chemicals to Iraq for their manfacture of poison gas. Courtesty of Wikipedia:

The provision of chemical precursors from United States companies to Iraq was enabled by a Ronald Reagan administration policy that removed Iraq from the State Department's list of State Sponsors of Terrorism. Leaked portions of Iraq's "Full, Final and Complete" disclosure of the sources for its weapons programs shows that thiodiglycol, a substance needed to manufacture mustard gas, was among the chemical precursors provided to Iraq from US companies such as Alcolac International and Phillips.