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03-03-2014, 11:16 AM
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Yes, Of course Samm. You're absolutely right, as usual.
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03-03-2014, 11:18 AM
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No idea which media you watch but around these parts they have made much about the fact that the najority in the Crimea are Russian so of course they welcome the troops.
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03-03-2014, 11:35 AM
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No idea which media you watch but around these parts they have made much about the fact that the najority in the Crimea are Russian so of course they welcome the troops.
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That's what I've heard too. I can see that, Russia being the "Homeland" and the larger, wealthier country. Sure. Screw the Ukrainian government.
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03-03-2014, 11:54 AM
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That's what I've heard too. I can see that, Russia being the "Homeland" and the larger, wealthier country. Sure. Screw the Ukrainian government.
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There are additional reasons too. Take a look at these Svoboda followers who
were very active in the regime change.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svoboda_(political_party).
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03-03-2014, 12:14 PM
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Oh, so they're rightwing Fascists? That would explain the sabre rattling in support of the Ukraine in this country.
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03-03-2014, 12:03 PM
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No idea which media you watch but around these parts they have made much about the fact that the najority in the Crimea are Russian so of course they welcome the troops.
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I don't watch any US media. I have a very diverse "favs" list of mostly international news sources.
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03-03-2014, 06:46 PM
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I don't watch any US media. I have a very diverse "favs" list of mostly international news sources.
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Of course not. Beck doesn't watch Beck. Limbaugh doesn't listen to Limbaugh.
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03-03-2014, 12:39 PM
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"The ignorance, absence of integrity, and lack of independence of the US media greatly enhances the prospect for war. The picture being drawn for insouciant Americans is totally false. An informed people would have burst out laughing when US Secretary of State John Kerry denounced Russia for “invading Ukraine” in “violation of international law.” Kerry is the foreign minister of a country that has illegally invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, organized the overthrow of the government in Libya, tried to overthrow the government in Syria, attacks the civilian populations of Pakistan and Yemen with drones and missiles, constantly threatens Iran with attack, unleashed the US and Israeli trained Georgian army on the Russian population of South Ossetia, and now threatens Russia with sanctions for standing up for Russians and Russian strategic interests. The Russian government noted that Kerry has raised hypocrisy to a new level.
Kerry has no answer to the question: “Since when does the United States government genuinely subscribe and defend the concept of sovereignty and territorial integrity?”
Kerry, as is always the case, is lying through his teeth. Russia hasn’t invaded Ukraine. Russia sent a few more troops to join those at its Black Sea base in view of the violent anti-Russian statements and actions emanating from Kiev. As the Ukrainian military in Crimea defected to Russia, the additional Russian troops were hardly necessary.
The stupid Kerry, wallowing in his arrogance, hubris, and evil, has issued direct threats to Russia. The Russian foreign minister has dismissed Kerry’s threats as “unacceptable.” The stage is set for war.
Note the absurdity of the situation. Kiev has been taken over by ultra-nationalist neo-nazis. A band of ultra-nationalist thugs is the last thing the European Union wants or needs as a member state. "
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03-03-2014, 12:44 PM
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"The ignorance, absence of integrity, and lack of independence of the US media greatly enhances the prospect for war. The picture being drawn for insouciant Americans is totally false. An informed people would have burst out laughing when US Secretary of State John Kerry denounced Russia for “invading Ukraine” in “violation of international law.” Kerry is the foreign minister of a country that has illegally invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, organized the overthrow of the government in Libya, tried to overthrow the government in Syria, attacks the civilian populations of Pakistan and Yemen with drones and missiles, constantly threatens Iran with attack, unleashed the US and Israeli trained Georgian army on the Russian population of South Ossetia, and now threatens Russia with sanctions for standing up for Russians and Russian strategic interests. The Russian government noted that Kerry has raised hypocrisy to a new level.
Kerry has no answer to the question: “Since when does the United States government genuinely subscribe and defend the concept of sovereignty and territorial integrity?”
Kerry, as is always the case, is lying through his teeth. Russia hasn’t invaded Ukraine. Russia sent a few more troops to join those at its Black Sea base in view of the violent anti-Russian statements and actions emanating from Kiev. As the Ukrainian military in Crimea defected to Russia, the additional Russian troops were hardly necessary.
The stupid Kerry, wallowing in his arrogance, hubris, and evil, has issued direct threats to Russia. The Russian foreign minister has dismissed Kerry’s threats as “unacceptable.” The stage is set for war.
Note the absurdity of the situation. Kiev has been taken over by ultra-nationalist neo-nazis. A band of ultra-nationalist thugs is the last thing the European Union wants or needs as a member state. "
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