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[MikeCh]

Can someone please explain how this requirement of an 80% reduction in carbon footprint by 2050 in the cap and trade bill is even remotely possible? I mean, how is it possible that by 2050 we will have a smaller carbon footprint than say.....when the pilgrims first landed on this great soil in 1620?

Ok, maybe that's somewhat of a stretch but the end goal is equally impossible in my mind unless we all go back to riding horses and cooking over open fire. Oh wait, that number of horses or open fires is gonna land us in the same boat with all that farting/poop/methane and smoke.

[BlueStreak]

So, are you telling me you're not man enough to "Live off of the land", like a true "John Wayne" style rugged individualist, Great American would? Whiner! Are you suggesting that Americans can't accomplish whatever they set their minds to? Quitter! So, tell me, why do you hate this country so much anyways? If your goals aren't our goals, well--You know the way out, Mister.

Actually, for me the answer is pretty simple.
My carbon footprint will be far less in 2050,
because I will most likely be------DEAD.

Seriously, I have no idea. Does seem like quite an unattainable goal.
Mainly because we lack the will and the wisdom to even try?

Dave

[Charles]

I submit that the problem is due to an excess of people.

Global warming, or cooling, or climate change, whether naturally occurring or man made, is natures way of addressing the problem. We're not in the process of killing the planet, the planet's in the process of killing us. It does it all of the time.

Then again, the human race has a history of killing itself off. We may beat the planet to the draw.

That is the natural order of things.

Chas

[BlueStreak]

It does hate us. I know it does, the trees told me so.

Dave

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Charles

We're not in the process of killing the planet,

True enough. Earth couldn't care one way or another if we can live here or not. Let's hope we're smart enough to care at least for ourselves.

Originally Posted by Charles

the planet's in the process of killing us. It does it all of the time.

Um, huh? It was going just fine 'till we started messing things up. Earth may not care if we can live here or not, but doesn't seem out to get us. I mean, as much as we try to pretend otherwise, we *are* the Earth. We weren't dropped here from some other place. We're of the Earth.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

It does hate us. I know it does, the trees told me so.

Dave

I agree. My neighbor has several massive walnuts just waiting for another ice storm so that they can crush me in my sleep.

I wish he'd get the damned things trimmed, but he has no money. Guess I'll just have to wait until one falls on my house, then let the insurance company deal with it.

Chas

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

True enough. Earth couldn't care one way or another if we can live here or not. Let's hope we're smart enough to care at least for ourselves.



Um, huh? It was going just fine 'till we started messing things up. Earth may not care if we can live here or not, but doesn't seem out to get us. I mean, as much as we try to pretend otherwise, we *are* the Earth. We weren't dropped here from some other place. We're of the Earth.

We've always had floods, tornados, hurricanes, volcanos, earthquakes, not to mention diseases. Seems like most of the US was underwater at one time.

Everything dies, it's the natural order of things.

Chas

[JJIII]

"Um, huh? It was going just fine 'till we started messing things up."

Tell that to the dinosaurs.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by MikeCh

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What do you base this on?

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Charles

I agree. My neighbor has several massive walnuts just waiting for another ice storm so that they can crush me in my sleep.

I wish he'd get the damned things trimmed, but he has no money. Guess I'll just have to wait until one falls on my house, then let the insurance company deal with it.

Here in NY you can trim any branch over your property.