Monday Night Massacre or Trumps mine field - Page 2

Rajoo · #11 01-31-2017, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by whell

Cow manure. Nixonian comparisons and Hitler comparisons. You guys are tragic.

Yates was wrong. Period. She received an order from the Prez. Her obligation is to carry out the order, seek an opportunity to discuss concerns she has with the Prez directly, or resign. She doesn't get to engage in subjective politically motivated navel - gazing while directing her staff not to enforce the law.

Yates said late on Monday that the Justice Department would not defend the order against court challenges, saying that she did not believe it would be "consistent with this institution's solemn obligation to always seek justice and stand for what is right."

You get to claim a resemblance to the "Saturday Night Massacre" when you can prove that Yates was asked to fire Archibald Cox.

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Ironically, when the U.S. Senate confirmed Yates as deputy attorney general in 2015 on a 84-12 vote, Republican opposition centered around anger “over President Barack Obama’s executive actions on immigration,” Politico reported.

Speaking out against her? Jeff Sessions. According to Politico, the Republican senator from Alabama “urged his colleagues to defeat Yates. Sessions…objected to what he said was her involvement in defending the federal government against a lawsuit 26 states have filed challenging unilateral actions Obama took in November to grant millions of illegal immigrants quasi-legal status and work permits.” Sessions called it “presidential overreach,” according to Politico.

But when the shoe is on the other foot?
It has nothing to do with obeying orders, has more to do with policy.
I will bet that she can win a wrongful termination lawsuit if she is legally allowed to challenge her firing. No one can force you to do anything that is unlawful and that was her stated reasoning.

And BTW whell, you are full of shit on this one.

http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/sally-...bama-democrat/

JCricket · #12 01-31-2017, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by whell

No question the EO was not well - implemented or well communicated. But, of course, that doesn't have a thing to do with the title of this thread, complete with the Nixonian references that have been buzzing around the left wing echo chamber...which it appears a place where you're right at home.

The nixonian reference was a direct CNN copy. Probably not the most objective agreed.

The AG may not have acted in the most professional manner, but I completely disagree with your comments that her job is to follow the orders of the pres. If this was the case, there would be no need to have an AG. The attorney general's first responsibility is to make sure the laws be proposed and enforced are legal - far above any loyalty or responsibility to any other member of the government. That is the purpose of the position.

Pio1980 · #13 01-31-2017, 11:56 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0c90efeffc842

Dondilion · #14 01-31-2017, 12:07 PM

"You are fired!" is part of Trump's goodwill.

whell · #15 01-31-2017, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo

But when the shoe is on the other foot?
It has nothing to do with obeying orders, has more to do with policy.

The AG doesn't set policy for an administration. The Prez does. The AG's job is to execute that policy. Period.

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Originally Posted by Rajoo

I will bet that she can win a wrongful termination lawsuit if she is legally allowed to challenge her firing. No one can force you to do anything that is unlawful and that was her stated reasoning.

And BTW whell, you are full of shit on this one.

You posted BS about Yates's chances of winning a wrongful discharge lawsuit, and you're suggesting I'm full of shit? Gimme a break. Appointees require advise and consent of the Senate, but they serve at the discretion and pleasure of the Executive. Always has been that way.

merrylander · #16 01-31-2017, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by whell

She did nothing of the sort. She sacrificed herself - her time was limited with Sessions coming aboard anyway - to make a political statement.

She did not have to Trump is doing an excellent job of it all by himself.

merrylander · #17 01-31-2017, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo

And BTW whell, you are full of shit on this one.

Only this one?

Rajoo · #18 01-31-2017, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by whell

The AG doesn't set policy for an administration. The Prez does. The AG's job is to execute that policy. Period.

You posted BS about Yates's chances of winning a wrongful discharge lawsuit, and you're suggesting I'm full of shit? Gimme a break. Appointees require advise and consent of the Senate, but they serve at the discretion and pleasure of the Executive. Always has been that way.

Does that include breaking the law?
BTW, I stand by my comment regarding what you are full of, in fact more so.