Medicare for all by Bernie Sanders

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by whell

This isn't "practical" either. Just ask the folks in Cali, whose legislature punted on a similar proposal because of the anticipated costs, and no way to pay for it.

It works fine all over Europe. Americans just need to decide that they need to pay for a decent health care system more than they need to pay foe ridiculous shit like 11 active aircraft carrier battle groups.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

It works fine all over Europe. Americans just need to decide that they need to pay for a decent health care system more than they need to pay foe ridiculous shit like 11 active aircraft carrier battle groups.

I'm sure the European political elite often quietly that their lucky stars that they don't need to make large military expenditures so they can use some of the savings to deliver adequately controlled and rationed health care.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by whell

I'm sure the European political elite often quietly that their lucky stars...

EIB/FOX gasbag jibberish. And, not surprisingly, this comment doesn't make any fucking sense.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by whell

I'm sure the European political elite often quietly that their lucky stars that they don't need to make large military expenditures so they can use some of the savings to deliver adequately controlled and rationed health care.

We really don't need to be making such colossal military expenditures either. But, so many of our fellow Americans are such frightened, xenophobic pussies they have to have a military three times what's necessary and a loaded gun in every room, every vehicle and on their person at all times.

Land of the brave my ass.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

We really don't need to be making such colossal military expenditures either. But, so many of our fellow Americans are such frightened, xenophobic pussies they have to have a military three times what's necessary and a loaded gun in every room, every vehicle and on their person at all times.

Land of the brave my ass.

Active US aircraft carrier strike groups...11. Commissioned and battle ready US aircraft carriers...20.

Country with the next largest fleet of active carrier strike groups is India...2. Countries with the next largest number of commissioned and battle ready aircraft carriers...France and Japan with 4. Those countries have one active aircraft carrier group each.

I feel so much more safe and secure knowing that we have a carrier strike group at the ready, protecting each of our 11 coastlines.

And Americans believe we are militarily vulnerable because of Barack Obama...and we can't afford universal Medicare. The country is fucked in the head.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Active US aircraft carrier strike groups...11. Commissioned and battle ready US aircraft carriers...20.

Country with the next largest fleet of active carrier strike groups is India...2. Countries with the next largest number of commissioned and battle ready aircraft carriers...France and Japan with 4. Those countries have one active aircraft carrier group each.

Russia only has one carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, and it is an absolute piece of shit.

The vessel is powered by steam turbines and turbo-pressurized boilers that are so unreliable that it is accompanied by a large ocean-going tug whenever it deploys, in case it breaks down.

Flaws in the water piping system mean it freezes during winter. To prevent pipes bursting, the water is turned off to most of the cabins and half the latrines do no work.

Mr Roberts, a former Royal Navy officer, said: “There’s nothing more depressing for a naval captain when he leaves home waters than to be escorted by a tug because even your commander in chief thinks you are going to break down.”

One sailor was killed when a fire started on board the ship during a visit to Turkey in 2009. The ship also spilled hundreds of tons of oil in the Irish Sea during a refuelling accident the same year.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ical-problems/

[Ike Bana]

But we need 11 active carrier strike groups to deal with our biggest worry...the fucking Russians. The estimated cost to run a Nimitz class carrier strike group is a bit over $2.5 million/day...a bit under $1 billion/year. That's $11 billion/year for our carrier force, plus whatever the expenses are to keep the other 9 commissioned aircraft carriers battle ready 365 days a year. But that's peanuts as a strike group built around a new Gerald R. Ford class carrier has been estimated to cost as much as $7 million/day...$2.5 billion/year. And the Pentagon, of course would like to have all the old Nimitz class flat tops, replaced with Ford class.

Just in case.

[mpholland]

I am pretty sure we could drastically reduce our military, but other countries would need to increase theirs if that happened. I am pretty sure we are considered the world police and also pretty sure that other countries are happy to let us spend our money to maintain that status. They might call us paranoid warmongerers, but they don't seem to have issues with being allied to us, knowing that we will be there to spend our money to keep them from being a target. This allows them to spend much less on their military and afford such things as universal healthcare. I would be quite content if we did a massive downsize and worried about our own country and let the rest of the world fend for itself. Ain't gonna happen, but its a nice thought.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Russia only has one carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, and it is an absolute piece of shit.

The vessel is powered by steam turbines and turbo-pressurized boilers that are so unreliable that it is accompanied by a large ocean-going tug whenever it deploys, in case it breaks down.

Flaws in the water piping system mean it freezes during winter. To prevent pipes bursting, the water is turned off to most of the cabins and half the latrines do no work.

Mr Roberts, a former Royal Navy officer, said: “There’s nothing more depressing for a naval captain when he leaves home waters than to be escorted by a tug because even your commander in chief thinks you are going to break down.”


One sailor was killed when a fire started on board the ship during a visit to Turkey in 2009. The ship also spilled hundreds of tons of oil in the Irish Sea during a refuelling accident the same year.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ical-problems/

It is not about Russia.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

It is not about Russia.

What is not about Russia?