Syria has used chemical weapons. Now what?

[bobabode]

Want to really help Syrians? Try this....

http://donate.unhcr.org/syria?utm_so...gn=SyriaCrisis

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Watching The Bill Moyers Show. Andrew Bacevich is making a lot of sense. Here's a link.
http://billmoyers.com/segment/andrew...tion-in-syria/

Thanks Bob!

Excellent! Bacevich and I are on the same page with many observations.

"The American military, especially the Army and the United Marine Corps,
has been abused."

I remembered Marines were sent into Fallujah (2nd battle), Iraq, to engage in close quarter combat and clear out insurgents.
I then remarked what a waste of the flower of our youth. We told the insurgents when we were coming and they had enough
time to prepare all sorts of nasty stuff for the Marines.

Now the civilian population had fled the city. We went in and cleared the
city at great cost to the marines. Later when we left the insurgents
re-occupied the city.

This particular folly was later brought home and enlarged to me when I met In Queens, NY, a Marine who survived that particular engagement.

Bacevich: Mostly what we do militarily in ME region is not particularly
relevant to what's unfolding on the ground.


The attached picture relates to 2nd battle of Fallujah.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by Charles

...

I still believe that if you're going to war, you need to be prepared to grind your opponent under the heel of you boot. Anything less is ineffective, and unfair to those who are sent to fight our battles.

If you're going to send people out there to die for you, you at least owe them the option of winning.

....

Agreed.

Originally Posted by bobabode

Yep.

This whole thing stinks of a set up now that the neocons like the ones over at the Wall Street Urinal and the one's at the Washington Post are waving the red cape of Iran in front of the bull since there isn't sufficient outrage over the Syrians massacring there own people in their own civil war. Unless and until someone actually attacks us we need to stand down.
Let the U.N. and the World Court deal with this shit, that's what they are for.

Yep, Obie has nothing to do with it.

Originally Posted by icenine

I am pretty sure Iraq has not been rebuilt by us yet.

They kicked us out.

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Bob, Pete.....................

In case neither of you have noticed, both Democratic and Republican leaders are pushing for this......And pushing hard.

A pox on both houses.

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

They kicked us out.

Pete

We had no good reason to be there in the first place, just as we have no good reason to get involved in Syria..................

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Thanks Bob!

Excellent! Bacevich and I are on the same page with many observations.

"The American military, especially the Army and the United Marine Corps,
has been abused."

I remembered Marines were sent into Fallujah (2nd battle), Iraq, to engage in close quarter combat and clear out insurgents.
I then remarked what a waste of the flower of our youth. We told the insurgents when we were coming and they had enough
time to prepare all sorts of nasty stuff for the Marines.

Now the civilian population had fled the city. We went in and cleared the
city at great cost to the marines. Later when we left the insurgents
re-occupied the city.

This particular folly was later brought home and enlarged to me when I met In Queens, NY, a Marine who survived that particular engagement.

Bacevich: Mostly what we do militarily in ME region is not particularly
relevant to what's unfolding on the ground.


The attached picture relates to 2nd battle of Fallujah.

I concur as well.

It's disgusting how we have reduced our men and women in uniform to tools of politics and business. It's been going on far too long. One of the few things I can agree with Libertarians on.

[Rajoo]

Syria says it ‘welcomes’ Russia proposal on chemical weapons
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...45a_story.html

Good if this works and help avoid another senseless military excursion, for that is all it ever will be. Hopefully this will give the congressional hawks time to pause and rethink our plans. Of course, one can never trust Putin and his intentions.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Bob, Pete.....................

In case neither of you have noticed, both Democratic and Republican leaders are pushing for this......And pushing hard.

A pox on both houses.

Dave

I've noticed, that's why I believe we need to stand down until when and if the Security Council decides to send in the Blue helmets. A unilateral decision, on our part, makes for a dangerous precedent and it's wrong. We need to be better than our past.

[piece-itpete]

Russia, China = no UN action.

Pete

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

Syria says it ‘welcomes’ Russia proposal on chemical weapons
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...45a_story.html

Good if this works and help avoid another senseless military excursion, for that is all it ever will be. Hopefully this will give the congressional hawks time to pause and rethink our plans. Of course, one can never trust Putin and his intentions.

That idea must be curdling the milk of the MIC warhawks. Good. I hope it works.