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Old 12-18-2015, 07:37 AM
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I never said anything about the New Testament. Also, not all Christians reject the OT as you do.
What other people do is not my problem. I live as I believe that I should and treat others as I would be treated. Rabbi Hillel put it rather succinctly 'That which is distasteful to you do not do unto others - that is the whole law the rest is mere commentary'.

You see John I have studied several beliefs and I think I have learned from them. If others cannot learn there is very little that I can do to help them.

I do know that what I did learn enabled me to give a good woman the happiest years of her life so perhaps that amounts to something.
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I understand why Hillel said it that way: to most people, evil is distasteful, and repellent, and ugly. But if the guide is only "what is distasteful to you" then people with funny tastes are free to carve on others. I think the guide to right and wrong is internal, born into us, but some people are not on the right track for some reason. We should think about "what other people do," seeing what's regular and what's divergent, as a crosscheck against our own notions.

(This is a more general comment, no bearing on what one should think of the OT. I view the OT as a cultural artifact only.)
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But if the guide is only "what is distasteful to you" then people with funny tastes are free to carve on others.
Don Q, you are one of the reasons I come to this site; you have that special third eye.
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Old 12-18-2015, 08:31 AM
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What other people do is not my problem.
Apparently, you do have a problem with what some other people believe. For instance, it matters to you that some Muslims treat women abominably but, when some Christians and some Jews behave in a similar fashion, it doesn't concern you.

We're talking about injustice here. Injustice is injustice, no matter who perpetrates it or what inspires it.

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I live as I believe that I should and treat others as I would be treated.
The treatment of others encompasses how you speak of them. Somehow, I doubt you would wish to be spoken of in the same way that, at every opportunity, you speak of Muslims. If you're going to claim the moral high ground, it's best if you actually occupy it.
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Old 12-18-2015, 09:44 AM
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Don Q, you are one of the reasons I come to this site; you have that special third eye.
Me and Nick Danger, eh?

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Redding? You can't get there from here.
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Apparently, you do have a problem with what some other people believe. For instance, it matters to you that some Muslims treat women abominable but, when some Christians and some Jews behave in a similar fashion, it doesn't concern you.

Because the Muslims in question accosted my wife, otherwise I am indifferent to their conduct. No Christian or Jew ever acted that way toward her.
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Because the Muslims in question accosted my wife, otherwise I am indifferent to their conduct. No Christian or Jew ever acted that way toward her.
And no Christian or Jew ever would? And every other Muslim would?

Rob, you have to look outside your own experience and refuse to draw universal conclusions based on one incident or one individual.

I don't expect to convince you. We're both too old and too set in our ways to change. It's just that our ways differ greatly in some ways that I think are very important.
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Old 12-19-2015, 05:36 AM
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John you are reading into my words just what you want to see and not what is on the screen. On five separate occasions Muslim men went out of their way to annoy and even threaten my late wife.

These were to only ones to do so, no Christians, no Jews. I was not speculating on the future, and in any case no one can bother her any more.

I did not draw conclusions as to the future, that all seems to exist in your fertile imagination. Must I like every Muslim, Christian or Jew? Rather unrealistic wouldn't you say?

So perhaps you and DQ can find someone else to nag - though y'all seem to have perfected the art form.
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Hey, John's post was critical, but I deny nagging altogether. I feel I indeed showed you respect by engaging with your ideas in a substantial and civil way.
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