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Old 07-29-2015, 02:11 PM
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Guess either I posed the question the wrong way or some just chose to go off on political rants...
Some have ranted. Some have given you thoughtful responses. So, as Bob said, what about you? Why are what you are?
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Old 07-29-2015, 02:14 PM
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Guess either I posed the question the wrong way or some just chose to go off on political rants...
I have been watching "The Newsroom" recently. One of the overriding themes has been that truth is more important than balance. If one "side" of a political question is not based in reality, it does not advance the truth to give that side equal time. That has been a view I have held for awhile. I think an objective view of some of the things going on now invites a rant. The mere idea that Donald Trump is considered a viable candidate for the highest office in the US and likely the world is frightening indeed. His viability as a candidate reflects on the party whose banner he seeks to carry. It does not reflect well.

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Old 07-29-2015, 02:15 PM
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Rants, sir? In political chat, sir?
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Old 07-29-2015, 02:30 PM
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Before posing this question I want to mention that replies with name calling will be deleted. On to the $64,000 question.

What views makes you a republican, democrat or whatever. Can this still be classified in today's political atmosphere ?
Back to the OP. I think part of the problem is that you've asked the questions in the opposite order in which the logically need to be addressed. If I may, I'll restate the OP as follows:

Proposition: if you think [set A], you're a Republican, but if you think [set B], you're a Democrat.

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1. Is the proposition now true, or false?
2. If the proposition is true, what views define [set A] and [set B]?

We've mostly all jumped into characterizing the Republican [set A]. But as D-Ray is suggesting, I think, that's understandable, given the extreme content now found in that set. I did try in my responses to point out that, historically, there is a core to [set A] that has not varied, across millennia.
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Old 07-29-2015, 03:50 PM
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I have been watching "The Newsroom" recently. One of the overriding themes has been that truth is more important than balance. If one "side" of a political question is not based in reality, it does not advance the truth to give that side equal time. That has been a view I have held for awhile. I think an objective view of some of the things going on now invites a rant. The mere idea that Donald Trump is considered a viable candidate for the highest office in the US and likely the world is frightening indeed. His viability as a candidate reflects on the party whose banner he seeks to carry. It does not reflect well.

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It could be the symptoms of a dying political party, the GOP. Notice how on the Democratic side there are just a few candidates and none of them are resorting to demagoguery to gain attention.

The problem with someone like Bush gaining legitimacy is the fact that he has to share the same party with people like Trump, Cruz and Huckabee and is contaminated in the process. Just being on the same stage as Trump is too dangerous in my book. I would respect Bush more if he just did not get on the same stage as Trump, and if he does, call out Trump for what he is.
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I think both of you have hit on part of what I am trying to find out. One of the things I am having a hard time wrapping my noddle around is what ones views makes you. Yes, both political parties are a dying breed hence the reason for my quest for an answer. For instance, to me it seems that most here seem to think that anyone who votes straight, or even partial Republican is by default a tea party member. Am I making sense or ?



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Back to the OP. I think part of the problem is that you've asked the questions in the opposite order in which the logically need to be addressed. If I may, I'll restate the OP as follows:

Proposition: if you think [set A], you're a Republican, but if you think [set B], you're a Democrat.

Questions:

1. Is the proposition now true, or false?
2. If the proposition is true, what views define [set A] and [set B]?

We've mostly all jumped into characterizing the Republican [set A]. But as D-Ray is suggesting, I think, that's understandable, given the extreme content now found in that set. I did try in my response to point out that, historically, there is a core to [set A] that has not varied, across millennia.
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It could be the symptoms of a dying political party, the GOP. Notice how on the Democratic side there are just a few candidates and none of them are resorting to demagoguery to gain attention.

The problem with someone like Bush gaining legitimacy is the fact that he has to share the same party with people like Trump, Cruz and Huckabee and is contaminated in the process. Just being on the same stage as Trump is too dangerous in my book. I would respect Bush more if he just did not get on the same stage as Trump, and is he does, call out Trump for what he is.
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I think both of you have hit on part of what I am trying to find out. One of the things I am having a hard time wrapping my noddle around is what ones views makes you. Yes, both political parties are a dying breed hence the reason for my quest for an answer. For instance, to me it seems that most here seem to think that anyone who votes straight, or even partial Republican is by default a tea party member. Am I making sense or ?
Making enough sense. Like anyone who voices opposition to illegal immigration is a racist.
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Making enough sense. Like anyone who voices opposition to illegal immigration is a racist.
...or claims to be an environmentalist is a Lefty Wack-Job.
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Old 07-30-2015, 09:13 AM
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There will be a short period of violin music for all the poor misunderstood people out there.

As I now understand the OP, Grumpy is suffering angst because he finds the sands of identity shifting on him, and he wants to know where he can stand. I cannot help.
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I have been watching "The Newsroom" recently. One of the overriding themes has been that truth is more important than balance. If one "side" of a political question is not based in reality, it does not advance the truth to give that side equal time. That has been a view I have held for awhile. I think an objective view of some of the things going on now invites a rant. The mere idea that Donald Trump is considered a viable candidate for the highest office in the US and likely the world is frightening indeed. His viability as a candidate reflects on the party whose banner he seeks to carry. It does not reflect well.

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Quite so. They apparently don't care how this defines them.

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