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09-21-2015, 09:59 AM
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Reminiscent of the JFK days when people thought a catholic shouldn't be president, albeit.... For different reasons. .
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Doubts on allegience, and the general American Protestant base distrust/ distain for the 'other'.
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09-21-2015, 11:54 AM
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Though Carson didn't explain his views very well (and his views may be simply pandering to knuckle-draggers), many strict Islamists find democracy to run counter to the Koran (i.e., they object to laws made by man as opposed to those imposed by God in the Koran).
The (in)famous British Islamist, Anjem Choudary, has openly expressed his views that democracy and Islam are inherently incompatible for this very reason. Given the success of democracy is Islamic countries, he may have a point.
That said, this whole thing is a silly argument in that there is no chance that a Muslim (an athiest or a soci@list) would be elected to the Presidency any time in the foreseeable future.
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09-21-2015, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by finnbow
Though Carson didn't explain his views very well (and his views may be simply pandering to knuckle-draggers), many strict Islamists find democracy to run counter to the Koran (i.e., they object to laws made by man as opposed to those imposed by God in the Koran).
The (in)famous British Islamist, Anjem Choudary, has openly expressed his views that democracy and Islam are inherently incompatible for this very reason. Given the success of democracy is Islamic countries, he may have a point.
That said, this whole thing is a silly argument in that there is no chance that a Muslim (an athiest or a soci@list) would be elected to the Presidency any time in the foreseeable future.
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Quite true with Muslim fundamentalists like the Salafists/Wahabists. Also true for Christian fundamentalists here in the U.S.
Most mainstream pious folk are fine with peaceful coexistance, the fundamentalists are a disruptive pain in the ass for the rest of us, whether Christian Dominionist, Islamic Salafist, or Hebrew fundamentalist.
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09-21-2015, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by finnbow
Though Carson didn't explain his views very well (and his views may be simply pandering to knuckle-draggers), many strict Islamists find democracy to run counter to the Koran (i.e., they object to laws made by man as opposed to those imposed by God in the Koran).
The (in)famous British Islamist, Anjem Choudary, has openly expressed his views that democracy and Islam are inherently incompatible for this very reason. Given the success of democracy is Islamic countries, he may have a point.
That said, this whole thing is a silly argument in that there is no chance that a Muslim (an athiest or a soci@list) would be elected to the Presidency any time in the foreseeable future.
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During my lifetime, it has been accepted wisdom that there was no chance that a Catholic, a Jew, an African American or a woman could ever be elected to the presidency. We've had our Catholic and our African American. We may well get our woman this time around and, though we haven't had a Jewish president, we popularly elected a ticket that included a Jewish Veep.
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09-21-2015, 12:39 PM
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Oh! And some would insist we've had our atheist too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi...omas_Jefferson
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09-21-2015, 02:11 PM
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Reminiscent of the JFK days when people thought a catholic shouldn't be president, albeit.... For different reasons. .
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Yes that's what I thought when I read it.
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09-21-2015, 02:17 PM
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Yes that's what I thought when I read it.
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Alf Smith had to cope with this in 1928 and didn't make the cut.
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09-22-2015, 09:04 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by finnbow
Though Carson didn't explain his views very well (and his views may be simply pandering to knuckle-draggers), many strict Islamists find democracy to run counter to the Koran (i.e., they object to laws made by man as opposed to those imposed by God in the Koran).
The (in)famous British Islamist, Anjem Choudary, has openly expressed his views that democracy and Islam are inherently incompatible for this very reason. Given the success of democracy is Islamic countries, he may have a point.
That said, this whole thing is a silly argument in that there is no chance that a Muslim (an athiest or a soci@list) would be elected to the Presidency any time in the foreseeable future.
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To be elected the candidate would have to publically separate his faith in Allah from Islam, i.e. remain a Muslim while discarding Islam. Anyone who could pull this off could be a great and potentially dangerous President.
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09-22-2015, 09:05 AM
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Deist.
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09-22-2015, 11:12 AM
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So, let me see if I understand this correctly....
Carson believes that a person elected to public office should set his faith aside to perform his public service duties and not expect others to follow their religious guidance, in this case... Shira law.
And then, we have a clerk in some backward county refusing to issue marriage certificates......
Ironic
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