mosque near ground zero ?

[whoaru99]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

It's kind of funny/sad when those who are so immersed in American exceptionalism don't feel the same way about the exceptional liberties provided for in our Constitution. It's quite likely that an intercultural faith center would not be accepted in Mecca or Medina, but that does not mean one should not be accepted here. Unlike Saudi Arabia we do not have leaders ordained by God or Allah (good luck getting elected as a non-christian, however). We are not a theocracy, but a nation that insures religious freedom. Accordingly, we send a message to the rest of the world about the exceptional amount of freedom we enjoy here by eliminating any governmental interference to the center.

Regards,

D-Ray

I guess I just find it odd that a religion (allegedly) of peace and tolerance seems so intolerant, that's all.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whoaru99

I guess I just find it odd that a religion (allegedly) of peace and tolerance seems so intolerant, that's all.

And?

John

[whoaru99]

Originally Posted by Boreas

And?

John

And, while quite willing to receive such tolerance seem unwilling to give it.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whoaru99

And, while quite willing to receive such tolerance seem unwilling to give it.

So..... we shouldn't either? At least not where those people are concerned?

John

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by whoaru99

And, while quite willing to receive such tolerance seem unwilling to give it.

Actually, most militant of the Muslims would prefer to see the attempt at building the cultural center be blocked. They win twice that way. First they show the Great Satan US rejecting a mosque, and second, they see an opponent of theirs within Islam lose an opportunity to promote a more peaceful religion than the version they practice.

Regards,

D-Ray

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by whoaru99

I guess I just find it odd that a religion (allegedly) of peace and tolerance seems so intolerant, that's all.

That's what happens when people get hold of any religion. I don't see how one could look at the words of Jesus and pursue armed crusades in the name of Christianity; or say that he is using God's advice when he invades Iraq; or use armies to steal the land from "Godless Indians."

Regards,

D-Ray

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

That's what happens when people get hold of any religion. I don't see how one could look at the words of Jesus and pursue armed crusades in the name of Christianity; or say that he is using God's advice when he invades Iraq; or use armies to steal the land from "Godless Indians."

Regards,

D-Ray

Because a savvy politician knows darn well that many so-called "Christians" can't tell when their religion is being used to manipulate them. One of the reasons religion and government should never mix.

But, I've already bored all of you with my position on that. So, I'll spare you the pain of going through it again.

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

It's kind of funny/sad when those who are so immersed in American exceptionalism don't feel the same way about the exceptional liberties provided for in our Constitution. It's quite likely that an intercultural faith center would not be accepted in Mecca or Medina, but that does not mean one should not be accepted here. Unlike Saudi Arabia we do not have leaders ordained by God or Allah (good luck getting elected as a non-christian, however). We are not a theocracy, but a nation that insures religious freedom. Accordingly, we send a message to the rest of the world about the exceptional amount of freedom we enjoy here by eliminating any governmental interference to the center.

Regards,

D-Ray

Right. Sometimes you have to lead, as painful as it may be initially. What was it? Something about "Love thine enemy..............."? The wall between Islam and Judeo-Christian society are ancient and deep. About, what, 1,400 years now? Maybe it'll be a few hundred more years, maybe never. But, we should continue to try. Defend ourselves of course, but continue to try.

Dave

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Right. Sometimes you have to lead, as painful as it may be initially. What was it? Something about "Love thine enemy..............."? The wall between Islam and Judeo-Christian society are ancient and deep. About, what, 1,400 years now? Maybe it'll be a few hundred more years, maybe never. But, we should continue to try. Defend ourselves of course, but continue to try.

Dave

Hey Dave, lets find something to disagree about. This is getting boring.

Regards,

D-Ray

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Ohio, or the ones with all the sand?

Dave

Uuuu-lululululululu!

How'd I do?

Praise be to allah. Let us infiltrate the infidels using their own sympathies against them.

Pete