Ukraine Heats Up

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Originally Posted by Samm

Russian Foreign Ministry issued this response to Susan Rice.
"Russia sees merit in the advice against use of force in Ukraine which US National Security Adviser Susan Rice voiced, but believes it was wrongly directed towards Moscow. Washington would be a more appropriate recipient of the piece of wisdom.

“We have noted the expert assessment of Susan Rice based on multiple cases when American troops were sent to various places of the word, especially those where the US administration believed the norms of Western democracy were in danger, or where the local regimes were getting out of hand,” a Russian Foreign Ministry source told news agencies on Monday.

The source added that, “We expect that national security adviser would be giving to the US leadership the same advice on the mistaken path of the use of force if it decides to conduct a new intervention.” ...

It didn't take Rice's statement on TV to stoke Russian fears/concerns of our (and EU) middling about in Ukraine. They bugged our ambassador and State official and released it to Youtube long before Rice made her statement. Her statement was nothing other than a confirmation of standing US policy on the matter, something the Russians have known for quite a while now.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by finnbow

It didn't take Rice's statement on TV to stoke Russian fears/concerns of our (and EU) middling about in Ukraine. They bugged our ambassador and State official and released it to Youtube long before Rice made her statement. Her statement was nothing other than a confirmation of standing US policy on the matter, something the Russians have known for quite a while now.

I didn't say it did. This is of course an ongoing, developing situation. Putin was B slapping Obama going back to the G8 in June of 2013.
"Putin went on: “You have spread anarchy in Libya after Mu‘ammar al-Qadhdhafi. Nobody can put together an authority capable of working to rebuild the state there. Yemen after the departure of ‘Ali ‘Abdallah Salih lacks stability in government and there is no peace in the streets. Military and security unrest continues to prevail in all the regions of the country. As to the Persian Gulf, the whole area from Bahrain to the rest of the states there is sitting atop a volcano,” Putin said.

The diplomatic source reported the Russian President as saying: “You want Russia to abandon Asad and his regime and go along with an Opposition whose leaders don’t know anything except issuing fatwas declaring people heretics, and whose members – who come from a bunch of different countries and have multiple orientations – don’t know anything except how to slaughter people and eat human flesh. You use double standards and approach the crisis in Syria using summer and winter styles under one roof. You lie to your own peoples so as to further your interests. This is none of our business. But it is impermissible for you to lie to us and to the countries and peoples of the world, because the international stage is no longer yours alone. Your ability to monopolize it the way you did two decades ago is now gone for good.”

Putin continued: “In Syria all of you are standing on the side of the forces that for the last 10 years you have claimed to be fighting against under the rubric of ‘fighting terror.’ Now today you are with them, helping them to take power across the region. You declare that you’re going to arm them and work to facilitate sending their fighters to Syria to bring it down, weaken it, and break it up.” Putin asked, “In God’s name what kind of democracy are you talking about? You want a democratic regime in Syria to take the place of the Asad regime, but are Turkey and the countries you’re allied with in the region blessed with democracy?”

Putin addressed US President Obama specifically, saying: “Your country sent its army to Afghanistan in the year 2001 on the excuse that you are fighting the Taliban and the al-Qa‘idah Organization and other fundamentalist terrorists whom your government accused of carrying out the 11 September attacks on New York and Washington. And here you are today making an alliance with them in Syria. And you and your allies are declaring your desire to send them weapons. And here you have Qatar in which you [the US] have your biggest base in the region and in the territory of that country the Taliban are opening a representative office.”

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Originally Posted by Samm

This wont end well. Did Obama really think having Susan Rice issue a threat to Putin was a good idea? Sending troops into the port and shifting the troops from Sochi to the border seems to be his response to that.

Originally Posted by Samm

I didn't say it did...

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Originally Posted by finnbow

Yes, Did Obama think that was a good move? That is what I said. What seems to be your confusion about that.

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Originally Posted by Samm

Yes, Did Obama think that was a good move? That is what I said. What seems to be your confusion about that.

Putin is going to do what Putin wants to do with respect to Ukraine, regardless of what Obama or Rice say. I just don't buy into the right-wing BS that if Obama was perceived as a tough guy (like they view themselves), Putin would be compliant to our wishes.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Putin is going to do what Putin wants to do with respect to Ukraine, regardless of what Obama or Rice say. I just don't buy into the right-wing BS that if Obama was perceived as a tough guy (like they view themselves), Putin would be compliant to our wishes.

I agree. Putin will do what he wants in the area regardless. The apology tour and begging really didn't help Obama's reputation at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=4FGbDJuD2do

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Originally Posted by Samm

I agree. Putin will do what he wants in the area regardless. The apology tour and begging really didn't help Obama's reputation at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=4FGbDJuD2do

Obama didn't do an "apology tour." Just more bullshit you've seemed to buy into.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...k-obama-began/