Remains of Fallen Heroes Dumped in Landfill

[Oerets]

One big WTF!!!!!

Hope they send somebody to jail. The right ones of course.


http://primewords.wordpress.com/2011...d-in-landfill/



Barney

[Bigerik]

Wow.
I'm speechless.

[Oerets]

Me too!


Barney

[Zeke]

"We might as well have left those remains on the battlefield where they died, at least there would have been some honor in that. What honor is there is a government dumping the remains of men and women who have died for their country into a filthy landfill?"

Perhaps this is a typically American Indian thing but, once you're "gone," who gives a shit? (If you want to hold something dear, remember my life: not where my bones end up, I'm not tied to them.)

"Mr. Holt pretty much sums it all up when he asks how many soldiers were disrespected?"

NONE.

Shit happens.

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by Zeke

"We might as well have left those remains on the battlefield where they died, at least there would have been some honor in that. What honor is there is a government dumping the remains of men and women who have died for their country into a filthy landfill?"

Perhaps this is a typically American Indian thing but, once you're "gone," who gives a shit? (If you want to hold something dear, remember my life: not where my bones end up, I'm not tied to them.)

"Mr. Holt pretty much sums it all up when he asks how many soldiers were disrespected?"

NONE.

Shit happens.

I respect your culture's traditions about this. How about a little reciprocity?

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by Zeke

"We might as well have left those remains on the battlefield where they died, at least there would have been some honor in that. What honor is there is a government dumping the remains of men and women who have died for their country into a filthy landfill?"

Perhaps this is a typically American Indian thing but, once you're "gone," who gives a shit? (If you want to hold something dear, remember my life: not where my bones end up, I'm not tied to them.)

"Mr. Holt pretty much sums it all up when he asks how many soldiers were disrespected?"

NONE.

Shit happens.

If the family members were somehow made aware and agreed with the disposal then you might have a point. But I have seen interviews with family member who wanted any I mean any of the remains found to be returned.

I'm afraid this had to do with funding of the departments involved. I have no proof of this so far but the service was out sourced to a sub contractor then little or no over site later. Plus the time and resource the AF would of needed a decision was made to go the easy cheapest way possible.
Then the massive cover up once it was discovered. I'm afraid this is just the tip if the iceberg.

I try to respect an others cultural believes and customs. So should we all don't you?


One needs to remember that the Native Americans are now making their demands known in respect to their ancient burials sites.




Barney

[Zeke]

Well, that could have come off better on my part. I'll try to be a little more precise.

The dead don't care.

But the vast majority of what we all do in such situations isn't for the dead. (In fact, as a Master Mason, there is an entire funeral soliloquy which brings forth that entire point which I enjoy hearing.)

As for Natives making demands in reference to their "ancient burial sites," I have often found it convenient that such places tend to be disputed where the land is either exceedingly valuable, would establish a foothold for gaming, and/or is a desolate and barren wasteland where opposition is light. In sum, cost/benefit seems to always dictate where such demands are made.

For example, ask yourself how the Wyandot Nation of Oklahoma managed to initiate casino gaming in Kansas City, KS. It involves a cemetery...

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Well, that could have come off better on my part. I'll try to be a little more precise.

The dead don't care.

But the vast majority of what we all do in such situations isn't for the dead. (In fact, as a Master Mason, there is an entire funeral soliloquy which brings forth that entire point which I enjoy hearing.)

As for Natives making demands in reference to their "ancient burial sites," I have often found it convenient that such places tend to be disputed where the land is either exceedingly valuable, would establish a foothold for gaming, and/or is a desolate and barren wasteland where opposition is light. In sum, cost/benefit seems to always dictate where such demands are made.

For example, ask yourself how the Wyandot Nation of Oklahoma managed to initiate casino gaming in Kansas City, KS. It involves a cemetery...

The Dead don't care but the living do!

Around here I have pretty much had to give up hunting for arrow heads years ago due the the laws enacted to protect artifacts. All of the ones I found were in plowed fields or along the Ohio or other rivers. Surface finds but still will get into trouble due to others disrespect for another.

As to the Casino's I'm glad to see some have figured out how to game the system so to speak. Getting something back and putting it to use.

Barney

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Well, that could have come off better on my part. I'll try to be a little more precise.

The dead don't care.

But the vast majority of what we all do in such situations isn't for the dead. (In fact, as a Master Mason, there is an entire funeral soliloquy which brings forth that entire point which I enjoy hearing.)

As for Natives making demands in reference to their "ancient burial sites," I have often found it convenient that such places tend to be disputed where the land is either exceedingly valuable, would establish a foothold for gaming, and/or is a desolate and barren wasteland where opposition is light. In sum, cost/benefit seems to always dictate where such demands are made.

For example, ask yourself how the Wyandot Nation of Oklahoma managed to initiate casino gaming in Kansas City, KS. It involves a cemetery...

As a Master I guess you didn't use a cheat sheet.

While not a Masonite myself, all of my friends are. A pretty good outfit in my estimation.

I've been to one Masonic funeral and was most impressed by the manner in which it was conducted.

As a side, a bunch of us spent the night on a sandbar on the Missouri. During the festivities, one of the participants staggered into the river in a highly intoxicated state and returned minus one of his shoes.

A slightly less intoxicated participant was quick to point out the he "was neither barefoot nor shod", which seemed to delight the rest of the crowd.

They had to explain it to me, and for some reason they didn't silt my throat afterward.

Chas