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Old 02-15-2015, 12:11 PM
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There is a saying: Puss has no business in a dog's fight. However this back and forth with "sound" was really entertaining.

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Old 02-19-2015, 07:15 PM
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Hey just think - we can abandon Afghanistan and help them go ISIS too!

SA and the Jordan going after them in Iraq/Syria, Egypt in Libya - maybe things are turning around after a fashion.

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Old 02-19-2015, 07:36 PM
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Hey just think - we can abandon Afghanistan and help them go ISIS too!
ISIS, or an "ISIS affiliate", has been in Afghanistan for a while now.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2...245847478.html

And Jeb has hired 19 neocons who served in the previous two Bush "Administrations", including Wolfowitz, Chertoff and Negroponte.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-venn-diagram/

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Old 02-19-2015, 08:08 PM
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Hey just think - we can abandon Afghanistan and help them go ISIS too!

SA and the Jordan going after them in Iraq/Syria, Egypt in Libya - maybe things are turning around after a fashion.

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Are you suggesting that Obama's foreign policy is working?
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Old 02-20-2015, 07:57 AM
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There is a saying: Puss has no business in a dog's fight. However this back and forth with "sound" was really entertaining.

When it comes to puss that last thing that comes to mind is fighting.
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Old 02-20-2015, 08:41 AM
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ISIS, or an "ISIS affiliate", has been in Afghanistan for a while now.

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Well...they're all "affiliates" in one way or another. As far as every infidel is concerned, even the Shia and Sunni affiliates that hate each other hate the rest of us worse. TTP, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram, and Hamas...the Sunni's. Hezbollah, Iranian and Shia extremists...the Shia. Doesn't matter the sect, they want the rest of us gone by caliphate so they're all affiliated as far as the civilized world is concerned.
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Old 02-20-2015, 08:59 AM
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I wonder what the education levels are for the ordinary people in countries where Islamic religious activism is very high. We already know that the unemployment is at obscene levels. I read recently that Libyan economy is entirely based on oil exports and over 90% of the people are dependent on the government for a paycheck.

So what is a long term solution to improve education so that religious fanaticism is moderated and economic opportunities improved. Where is this going to come from? Economies of most ME countries are based on oil exports and with the value of oil diminishing, their situation is untenable.
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Old 02-20-2015, 09:01 AM
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I wonder what the education levels are for the ordinary people in countries where Islamic religious activism is very high. We already know that the unemployment is at obscene levels. I read recently that Libyan economy is entirely based on oil exports and over 90% of the people are dependent on the government for a paycheck.

So what is a long term solution to improve education so that religious fanaticism is moderated and economic opportunities improved. Where is this going to come from? Economies of most ME countries are based on oil exports and with the value of oil diminishing, their situation is untenable.
I don't know how the developed nations might do anything about this beyond pumping aid money in. And aid money typically ends up in the hands of the despots or the terrorists...never gets to the people who actually need it. So it goes...
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Old 02-20-2015, 09:26 AM
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I don't know how the developed nations might do anything about this beyond pumping aid money in. And aid money typically ends up in the hands of the despots or the terrorists...never gets to the people who actually need it. So it goes...
So if thinking and behavior cannot be altered or changed, what other recourse is there? I keep hearing from the right that we could have/should have prevented the rise of ISIS and I don't see how.

As long as kings and dictators abound, Islamic radicalism has been kept bottled up. Iraq, Libya, Egypt are a few examples. Do we believe that they can get a foothold in Iran or Saudi Arabia as currently constituted. Probably not. In poor countries such as Afghanistan and Somalia, it has spread.

We keep talking about fighting and defeating ISIS which is damn near impossible unless we are willing to drop some serious bombs and inflict collateral damage.
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^^^^ Oh boy now they goody two shoes types will be on your case.
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