The Economic Argument Against Sitting On Our Hands

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

The models have been off for 20 years and don't work backwards.

That's 97% of scientists that wrote about human caused global warming, not 97% of all scientists.

Pete

That's climatologists with Phd's after their names not southern fried phrenologists Pete.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by mpholland

I guess I am in the 40%. I don't believe humans are the cause of global warming. Significant contributors I can go along with, but not the cause. I also don't believe anything our 5% of the worlds population does will alter it significantly for the better unless the rest of the world jumps on board.

Someone needs to lead the way

Agree though that if China and India don't get on board we're done for.

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by MrPots

Someone needs to lead the way

Agree though that if China and India don't get on board we're done for.

Lead from behind, of course.

[MrPots]

I think that the fact that much of our manufacturing base moving to China (partially) because of it's lax pollution laws only add scorn to any debate regarding pollution control. That Americans keep buying these products knowing the damage it does both to the environment and labor rights magnifies that scorn.

[piece-itpete]

Mr Pots I agree, our outsourcing of pollution is practically scandalous. They'll say (the Chinese/Indians etc) we're hypocrites and IMO they're right.

Don't forget final entropy Bob

Pete

[Bigerik]

Originally Posted by MrPots

Someone needs to lead the way

Agree though that if China and India don't get on board we're done for.

Easy to put pressure on them if we are leading the way.

[Bigerik]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

The models have been off for 20 years and don't work backwards.

That's 97% of scientists that wrote about human caused global warming, not 97% of all scientists.

Pete

Huh????

[MrPots]

And that pressure would be economic shunning.

To do so however we would have to

A) - let loose of our dependence on collecting crap we really don't need

B) - re-build our manufacturing base

C) - decide if we want a strong middle class or two class plutocracy...which is pretty much what we have now..

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

The models have been off for 20 years and don't work backwards.

Sure, a lot of science isn't exact.

When I was in grade school I learned that there were 92 elements and that humans had been around for about 50,000 years. But the thing about science is that it is always moving forward and always seeking new knowledge, and willing to change based on those findings.

That sure beats the Hell out of letting people like Rush Limbaugh tell you what to believe.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

our outsourcing of pollution is practically scandalous.

Yeah well that's what your homies in the corporate boardrooms have done for us.