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Old 06-12-2017, 06:08 PM
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Your false equivalency is ridiculous because Russia was actively trying to influence the American election while recruiting witting or unwitting participants in this effort (e.g., Flynn, Kushner, Page). Furthermore, there are indications that the Trump and Kushner organizations sought and/or received money from Russian banks aligned with Putin and the Kremlin to bail out failing real estate deals.
Your dancing on the head of a pin is hilarious, and your imaginary evidence...er....um...indications....are even funnier.
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Your dancing on the head of a pin is hilarious, and your imaginary evidence...er....um...indications....are even funnier.
You hope.
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Old 06-12-2017, 06:28 PM
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Your dancing on the head of a pin is hilarious, and your imaginary evidence...er....um...indications....are even funnier.
Your dancing on your pin of a head is hilarious, and your imaginary arguments...er...um...imprecations...are even funnier.
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Old 07-01-2017, 08:37 AM
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More fake news.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.d3c1c0fab071

The Trump administration’s top environmental official met privately with the chief executive of Dow Chemical shortly before reversing his agency’s push to ban a widely used pesticide after health studies showed it can harm children’s brains, according to records obtained by The Associated Press.

Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt’s schedule shows he met with Dow CEO Andrew Liveris on March 9 for about a half hour at a Houston hotel. Both men were featured speakers at an energy industry conference.

Twenty days later Pruitt announced his decision to deny a petition to ban Dow’s chlorpyrifos pesticide from being sprayed on food, despite a review by his agency’s scientists that concluded ingesting even minuscule amounts of the chemical can interfere with the brain development of fetuses and infants.


So, the AP apparently tried to connect the dots between an alleged meeting Pruitt and Dow, and a decision to reverse a chemical ban. So, why is this fake news?

Well, AP reported the story based on an examination of a published schedule. Problematic because:

- the meeting never happened.

- the AP never bothered to call anyone to confirm the meeting, whether it even happened.

- the AP never bothered to ask anyone within the EPA what might have been discussed (or in this case, not discussed).

- Oh, and by the way, the story is still up on WaPo, even though the AP has already issued a retraction: https://apnews.com/2350d7be5e24469ab445089bf663cdcb

In a story June 27, The Associated Press, relying on schedules provided by the Environmental Protection Agency, reported erroneously that EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt met with Dow Chemical CEO Andrew Liveris for about a half-hour at a Houston hotel. A spokeswoman for the EPA says the meeting listed on the schedule was canceled, though Pruitt and Liveris did have a “brief introduction in passing.”

Oh, and about that chemical? The EPA is still evaluating, and the science is not conclusive. From CNN (being nice to them, since they're being picked on lately):

n April 2016, a scientific advisory panel of the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act, which is administered by the EPA, expressed concerns regarding data to support this proposal to ban the pesticide.
"I agree very much with the scientific advisory panel," said Dr. William Banner, president of the American Association of Poison Control Centers. He added that what the studies have in common is that "they did not show any causal link. What they showed was an association."

Banner said the study was not conducted in a way to rule out other factors that might have influenced the participants' development, including their gestational age at birth and their exposure to environmental stress.


Lazy journalism? An active desire to push out false info? All of the above?
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Old 07-01-2017, 10:28 AM
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Lazy journalism? An active desire to push out false info? All of the above?
The article said that the information on the meeting was provided by the EPA to the AP in response to a FOIA request. It seems to me that AP's mistake was believing a government document formally released to them by the Trump administration. I see you still have no idea what fake news is. The only thing really changed in the corrected AP article was the length of the meeting between Pruitt and the Dow Chemical executive. Instead of a half hour, it appears to have been a "brief" meeting. That's some really heavy shit, Whell.

Meanwhile, your Dear Leader's favorite news source reported that “We actually believe that there is a colony on Mars that is populated by children who were kidnapped and sent into space on a 20-year ride. So that once they get to Mars they have no alternative but to be slaves on the Mars colony.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ars-nasa-says/
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Old 07-01-2017, 11:26 AM
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Lol, was just reading that article, thanks to the WaPo's daily email. Trump likely believes it, if he's as dumb as Whell.
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Old 07-01-2017, 01:02 PM
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The article said that the information on the meeting was provided by the EPA to the AP in response to a FOIA request. It seems to me that AP's mistake was believing a government document formally released to them by the Trump administration. I see you still have no idea what fake news is. The only thing really changed in the corrected AP article was the length of the meeting between Pruitt and the Dow Chemical executive. Instead of a half hour, it appears to have been a "brief" meeting. That's some really heavy shit, Whell.
Wow, you’re more clueless that I thought. Apparently, just because a meeting appears on a previously published schedule, you don't think a news reporter:

- has any responsibility to check and see whether the meeting actually occurred and wasn't cancelled, like this one was, or;

- assuming the meeting occurred, has any responsibilty to ask questions to see what might have been discussed, or;

- should avoid creating a story out of pure imagination, like this story was.

- take a story down or modify it once a retraction has been posted.

Oh, and if you actually read AP‘s corrction, a "meeting" didn't occur at all. It wasn't a "brief meeting", unless you call being introduced to someone a "meeting".

Fake news, pure and simple.
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Old 07-01-2017, 01:04 PM
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Lol, was just reading that article, thanks to the WaPo's daily email. Trump likely believes it, if he's as dumb as Whell.
Oh, look. Chicks tried to make a joke.
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Wow, you’re more clueless that I thought. Apparently, just because a meeting appears on a previously published schedule, you don't think a news reporter...
The EPA itself provided information on the meeting to the AP after a FOIA request and the two fellows did indeed meet on that very day. I too would tend to believe what was written down on a formal government document released due to a FOIA request than anything verbal coming out of anyone in this administration. I seem to recall the numerous administration figures' (Sessions, Flynn, Kushner) frequent lies about meeting with Sergey Lavrov (on security clearance forms, no less).

Why don't you get worked up over the 5 lies per day coming our of your Dear Leader's piehole while Fox News spews their fawning idiotic counterfactual drivel in support of him (e.g., the Seth Rich conspiracy, Pizzagate). As I've said on numerous occasions, you have no idea what fake news is, but are willing to shamelessly carry your Dear Leader's water by parroting his lies and spurious assertions. You look like a gullible clown and a Kellyanne/Spicer wannabe. Are you getting tired of your job and looking towards the bright lights of the White House Press Office? I hear they have an opening.
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