"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Oh, fer crying out loud. Get over it. Government does this every day of the week, several times a day. Can you say Obamacare, for instance? Remember folks getting their medical insurance policies cancelled - policies they liked and wanted to renew because they actually liked them and wanted to keep them? Remember the individuals getting 20, 30, 40, 50 or 60 percent renewals because the ACA introduced age - banded premiums? Remember spending a billion dollars to create a web site that didn't work and creating mass frustration with individuals try to use it, and them spending even more money and bringing in outside contractors to fix?

Obama and the Dems did this because they wanted "fix" the insurance markets, had more than a year to debate this and "think it through" and they still created a damn mess in the process that still exists today. So spare me your whiney selective indignation about a relative inconvenience created for some individuals, which has not largely been rectified.

The Congressional GOP delegation had the opportunity to offer input to their own RomneyCare/HeritageFoundationCare and chose not to during Congressional deliberations on Obamacare. That notwithstanding, Obamacare went through the legislative process, got the necessary votes and it was signed into law. It wasn't developed on the back of an envelope by a single 31 year old without consulting with anyone else. With Obamacare the GOP has had years to introduce tweaks to Obamacare in Congress and help improve it (as they were encouraged by Obama to do). Instead, they cast meaningless "repeal and replace" votes and it has now been clearly revealed by a hidden microphone in Philadelphia that they've never had a replacement plan and still don't.

Lastly, it's ridiculous to compare a law intended to extend healthcare to the uninsured (a largely realized goal, BTW) with an unvetted EO seemingly designed solely just to maliciously fuck with (already vetted and desperate) refugees and immigrants, not to mention green card holders. The former effort showed President Obama's humanity, the latter showed President Trump's lack thereof.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The Congressional GOP delegation had the opportunity to offer input to their own RomneyCare/HeritageFoundationCare and chose not to during Congressional deliberations on Obamacare. That notwithstanding, Obamacare went through the legislative process, got the necessary votes and it was signed into law. It wasn't developed on the back of an envelope by a single 31 year old without consulting with anyone else. With Obamacare the GOP has had years to introduce tweaks to Obamacare in Congress and help improve it (as they were encouraged by Obama to do). Instead, they cast meaningless "repeal and replace" votes and it has now been clearly revealed by a hidden microphone in Philadelphia that they've never had a replacement plan and still don't.

Here were go with the same attempted BS analogy between Romneycare and Obamacare. Romneycare the same size / scope as Obamacare? No. Romneycare have age-banding like Obamacare? No. "Illegal" or so - called "junk policies" which most of the folks who bought them actually liked them - that were unilaterally cancelled by carriers who were complying with Obamacare? No. These were the elements that cause the most turbulence in the marketplace - the "fucking with people's lives". So, let's move on, shall we?

Originally Posted by finnbow

Lastly, it's ridiculous to compare a law intended to extend healthcare to the uninsured (a largely realized goal, BTW) with an unvetted EO seemingly designed solely just to maliciously fuck with (already vetted and desperate) refugees and immigrants, not to mention green card holders. The former effort showed President Obama's humanity, the latter showed President Trump's lack thereof.

You're correct, to the extent that it took an EO to let the agencies know that is was time to enforce EXISTING LAW. Your loopy assertion that the EO was designed "solely just to maliciously fuck with people"...well...I'll simply consider the source of that comment.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Here were go with the same attempted BS analogy between Romneycare and Obamacare. Romneycare the same size / scope as Obamacare? No. Romneycare have age-banding like Obamacare? No. "Illegal" or so - called "junk policies" which most of the folks who bought them actually liked them - that were unilaterally cancelled by carriers who were complying with Obamacare? No. These were the elements that cause the most turbulence in the marketplace - the "fucking with people's lives". So, let's move on, shall we?

The GOP had every opportunity during debates on Obamacare to help make it better, just as they did 65 other times when they meaninglessly voted to repeal and replace it. FWIW, they still have no replacement and the one that Trump promised he would unveil last Tuesday doesn't even exist per Senator Hatch.

You're correct, to the extent that it took an EO to let the agencies know that is was time to enforce EXISTING LAW. Your loopy assertion that the EO was designed "solely just to maliciously fuck with people"...well...I'll simply consider the source of that comment.

His EO was not about enforcing existing law. Where in the existing law did it say to turn back already vetted refugees, people with green cards or dual citizenship, and Iraqi interpreters and their families who had been vetted for years and had valid visas? Did the existing law say to handcuff and detain a 5 year old boy who was an American citizen?

I'd say all of those unequivocally qualify as maliciously fucking with people and have absolutely no basis in existing law. I support the views of 100 national security professionals who assert that this EO actually made us less safe and that it should be cancelled. Defend it if you want, but first take a deep look into your soul and see if it's there before doing so.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The GOP had every opportunity during debates on Obamacare to help make it better, just as they did 65 other times when they meaninglessly voted to repeal and replace it. FWIW, they still have no replacement and the one that Trump promised he would unveil last Tuesday doesn't even exist per Senator Hatch.

Dealt with already. You continue to get it wrong, including the part about not having a replacement. Flail on.

Originally Posted by finnbow

His EO was not about enforcing existing law.

BS. Already responded to this in an earlier post.

Originally Posted by finnbow

I'd say all of those unequivocally qualify as maliciously fucking with people and have absolutely no basis in existing law..

I'm sure you would.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Dealt with already. You continue to get it wrong, including the part about not having a replacement. Flail on.

BS. Already responded to this in an earlier post.

I'm sure you would.

You're immune to reason and have lost your soul. Fuck it.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

You're immune to reason and have lost your soul. Fuck it.

Evidence that you're completely out of gas.

One other element of Obamacare that the Repubs had zero control over was Obama's choice of Sebelius to implement it. She gave incompetence a bad name and lost her job because of it.

[68custom]

Originally Posted by whell

Dealt with already. You continue to get it wrong, including the part about not having a replacement. Flail on.



BS. Already responded to this in an earlier post.



I'm sure you would.

Using the word "access" does not mean every one will be illegible for supplemented heath-care!

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by 68custom

Using the word "access" does not mean every one will be illegible for supplemented heath-care!

"Äccess" is a bullshit word.

Everyone in this country has "access" to top quality healthcare.

As long as they have good insurance and/or a shitload of money.

If they don't, they're fucked.

And by good insurance I don't mean a Goddamned High Deductible Piece of Shit Obamacare Bronze Plan.

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[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

"Äccess" is a bullshit word.

Everyone in this country has "access" to top quality healthcare.

As long as they have good insurance and/or a shitload of money.

If they don't, they're fucked.

And by good insurance I don't mean a Goddamned High Deductible Piece of Shit Obamacare Bronze Plan.

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Tom we had such good insurance that I paid maybe $1200 out of a total of $250,000 for the shitty care Florence received in our fucked up healthcare system - she still died.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by whell

Dealt with already. You continue to get it wrong, including the part about not having a replacement. Flail on.

Is this where Finn is flailing?

The Republican Health Plan That Doesn't Repeal Obamacare

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...macare/514175/