The FBI Raid and the Mar-a-Lago Documents

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by whell

Given some of the crap I've seen in posts because I've been hesitant to come to a conclusion, I thought I'd put this in its own thread:

I now think I know where the Feds are going, and the law on which they're making a case. And I think they have a case.

It didn't need to go this way, but when the Feds set out to get you, they'll find a way. And in this case, they found it. Trump didn't help himself, either, with his public statements about the documents and their classified nature.

I do now expect an indictment.

Is this a concession thread or a confession thread?

"It didn't need to go this way, but when the Feds set out to get you, they'll find a way."

Spoken like a true Trumper, he is the victim of the FBI's Seven Year itch?

As I have posted this before from a co-worker, "You don't get put in jail for committing a crime, you get put in jail for being dumb enough to get caught". Trump was dumb enough to get caught stealing classified documents and now squealing like a pig. And all of us should be worried, why did he take them and what did he do with them? Read at bedtime? He cannot read. Write his memoirs? He cannot write. So why did he steal them? And what did he do with them?

[Chicks]

Over 10,000 govt docs without classified markings were seized from MAGA-Lardo, DOJ says
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...oj-s-rcna46064

The Justice Department court filing, filed under seal earlier this week but unsealed by a judge Friday, also shows investigators found more than 40 empty folders with "classified" banners on them at Mar-a-Lago. It's unclear what happened to the information that had been inside the folders.

They also found almost four dozen empty folders marked "Return to Staff Secretary/Military Aide," according to the detailed property inventory.

Sold by the Little Prince to the Saudis for their $2B "investment" in his "investment" fund?

Only someone as dumb as Whell would believe these documents belong to Donny.

[Chicks]

Oh, and naturally, Whell titles this thread with the word "Raid", a politically charged, Reich-wing tag.

‘The Opposite of a Raid’
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...ecords/671099/

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by Chicks

Oh, and naturally, Whell titles this thread with the word "Raid", a politically charged, Reich-wing tag.

‘The Opposite of a Raid’
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...ecords/671099/

He is our pipeline for Reich-Wing "mediaspeak" after all
I saw where a MAGAmoron whined about why was the FBI, during the SEARCH, armed with assault type weapons instead of just handguns. The FBI agents knew that with so many radicalized tRumpkins running loose in FL an ounce of prevention (intimidation?) was a smarter way to go.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by init4fun

This is an excerpt from an article I read about the Trump documents issue. It certainly appears that he has violated the law regarding who actually "owns" those documents.......





‘NO SUCH THINGS AS MEMENTOS’

The Archives serves as the final resting spot for the work of every White House.

After the Watergate scandal and Nixon's resignation, Congress passed a law in 1978 to ensure that all presidential records — written, electronic material created by the president, the vice president, or any other member of the executive branch in an official capacity — are preserved and turned over to the Archives at the end of an administration. The law states that a president's records are not his or her own, but are the property of the federal government and must be treated as such.

When a new administration begins, White House staff receive a brochure on the law and step-by-step instructions on how to preserve records. The preservation requirements cover a wide range of items, including presents and letters from foreign leaders. “There are no such things as mementos,” said Lee White, the executive director of the National Coalition for History.

In addition, the law requires that even while in office, the president or any member of that administration must first seek the advice of the archivist before destroying any record, a practice Trump and his aides reportedly ignored throughout his four years in office.

“Everything he writes down is essentially a presidential record. It's not his property,” White said. “It is so basic to the whole concept of why the Presidential Records Act was created.”

“At noon on Inauguration Day, the custody transfers to the archivist. Period. There is no maybe. It's the law,” he added.

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AN UNPRECEDENTED DECISION

The rules of the Presidential Records Act are central to the FBI's investigation of Trump.

After Trump left office, the Archives discovered that records from his White House were missing. What followed was a yearlong back-and-forth between the Archives’ legal counsel and Trump’s lawyers that resulted in the voluntary return of 15 boxes of presidential records. Upon opening the boxes, the agency discovered that 14 of them contained classified documents and information.

Recognizing a potential crime, the agency made the unprecedented decision to refer the matter to the Justice Department. That move culminated in the search of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in August. FBI agents recovered more than 100 classified records, including some that were stashed in the former president’s office among personal items.

No offense intended but a link to the story quoted is required by Grumpy's rules. Thanks.

[init4fun]

Originally Posted by bobabode

No offense intended but a link to the story quoted is required by Grumpy's rules. Thanks.

Hi Bob, since I couldn't find the story again (it was on my browser's homepage this AM, but is now gone) I have deleted my post. Thank You for letting me know about the link rule.....

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by bobabode

No offense intended but a link to the story quoted is required by Grumpy's rules. Thanks.

Originally Posted by init4fun

Hi Bob, since I couldn't find the story again (it was on my browser's homepage this AM, but is now gone) I have deleted my post. Thank You for letting me know about the link rule.....

Bob, I found it and here is the link. From ABC Channel 7 Chicago yet.

VHF channels 2,5 & 7 were CBS, NBC and ABC in Chicago when I lived there.

https://abc7chicago.com/what-are-nat...-fbi/12195116/

[Oerets]

I heard a little while ago on NPR they also found some empty Top Secret folders. Haven't been able to find the files to go in them.


Found this...
https://www.aol.com/news/mar-lago-in...173539411.html

[Rajoo]

U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon, seems to be running interference for Trump and should not be ruling in this case. His legal team is seeking a favorable ruling from a judge with scant experience and whom he appointed two years or so ago. After his election loss and Joe Biden taking the oath of office, Trump has no executive privilege.

Now that other documents are missing, time for a coordinated search of his Florida, NY and NJ homes and offices. The JD has nothing to lose now, his theft of documents are well established and the wingnuts have gone ballistic any way. The more the Trump's rabid base is riled up, better for democracy and Democrats. The GOP loves to keep harping on National Security and how does Trump stealing classified documents not threaten our national security? And Barr's comments has helped the Justice Department's case since he made them on Faux.

"Ex-President has stolen classified documents, our national security is at risk and we aim to get them back and find out what happened to the missing ones or did he give them to a foreign agent?" should be their stated objective, nothing less.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon, seems to be running interference for Trump and should not be ruling in this case. His legal team is seeking a favorable ruling from a judge with scant experience and whom he appointed two years or so ago. After his election loss and Joe Biden taking the oath of office, Trump has no executive privilege.

Now that other documents are missing, time for a coordinated search of his Florida, NY and NJ homes and offices. The JD has nothing to lose now, his theft of documents are well established and the wingnuts have gone ballistic any way. The more the Trump's rabid base is riled up, better for democracy and Democrats. The GOP loves to keep harping on National Security and how does Trump stealing classified documents not threaten our national security? And Barr's comments has helped the Justice Department's case since he made them on Faux.

"Ex-President has stolen classified documents, our national security is at risk and we aim to get them back and find out what happened to the missing ones or did he give them to a foreign agent?" should be their stated objective, nothing less.

Exactly right. Finding out what happened to missing documents should involve the extended 'debriefing' of the ex-president and his associates, as a counter-intelligence matter. But unlike the ex-president, I do not advocate the use of waterboarding, etc....