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View Poll Results: My opinion on the grand jury result is...
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Looks to me like a fair process, all-in-all I approve.
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Looks to me like a defective process, all-in-all I disapprove.
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11-27-2014, 06:11 PM
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Poll on Ferguson Grand Jury Results
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11-27-2014, 06:18 PM
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I can't find an option.
But I'm satisfied with the grand jury's decision.
And I'll say it one more time...it's one thing to get involved in peaceful civil disobedience, marches, sit-ins, street blocking, bridge blocking, lunch counter commandeering and even something as creative as Sol Alinsky's plan for the "Shit-in" at the restrooms at Chicago's O'Hare Airport.
But burning down your neighbor's business, your neighbor's house, you're neighbor's car because you're pissed off...is utter bullshit.
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11-27-2014, 06:21 PM
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I edited message 1. Options are above, not below....
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11-27-2014, 06:44 PM
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Having not sat upon the grand jury and heard the 60-70 witnesses and mountains of evidence that they did, it would be quite presumptuous of me to criticize their decisions.
I am, however, highly critical of the lawlessness on display in Ferguson, both from Michael Brown himself and his hordes of defenders, local and imported, who torched their neighbors' houses and properties and used the threat of mob action/violence to try to influence the grand jury.
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11-27-2014, 07:12 PM
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I have doubts as to the validity of the decision, but how could I possibly know the truth? I wasn't there, I didn't see or hear anything with my own eyes and ears.
Regardless of the GJs decision, I don't see how destroying a completely innocent and uninvolved persons home or business is supposed to solve race problems. If anything it gives real bigots something to point at and call them animals. Supporters of police militarization will now have more ammunition for their argument. Far right opportunist zealots are already laying this mess at the feet of the president.
Everyone loses.
It's a damned shame is what it is.
Dave
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11-27-2014, 07:49 PM
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I choose fair overall. But in reality Justice is blind as the saying goes. Basically I do see how certain segments of our society are profiled and treated different then others. Maybe some good will come out of this along with the bad.
But this case was a plain one for me. Assault on a police officer from one who just committed a robbery and another assault. The Officer's duty was to apprehend the suspect, one who was resisting and confrontational. If the suspect had just allowed the officer to do his job he'd be alive today.
As to the number of shots or how far sequences of events and training of the officer. Like I stated before Monday Quarterbacking by us is all that this is.
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11-27-2014, 07:58 PM
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I think people are losing sight of the fact that no one really knows what happened, and that Michael Brown himself did not cause the riots, and to be fair Wilson had nothing to do with them either. They are a response that I do not agree with but I can understand the frustration of the community in Ferguson.
The grand jury is just there to establish probable cause, and since our society generally protects policemen in most cases like this it is not surprising that there was not a strong effort by McCulloch to pursue it. But to suggest external events automatically decide whether or not a process was correct or not is ridiculous. Just because buildings were set on fire and cars destroyed does not mean that the law abiding citizens of Ferguson do not have a legitimate reason to question their local law authorities in a lawful manner.
In other words if you take the Brown side you are not a bomb throwing anarchist.
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Originally Posted by icenine
I think people are losing sight of the fact that no one really knows what happened, and that Michael Brown himself did not cause the riots, and to be fair Wilson had nothing to do with them either. They are a response that I do not agree with but I can understand the frustration of the community in Ferguson.
The grand jury is just there to establish probable cause, and since our society generally protects policemen in most cases like this it is not surprising that there was not a strong effort by McCulloch to pursue it. But to suggest external events automatically decide whether or not a process was correct or not is ridiculous. Just because buildings were set on fire and cars destroyed does not mean that the law abiding citizens of Ferguson do not have a legitimate reason to question their local law authorities in a lawful manner.
In other words if you take the Brown side you are not a bomb throwing anarchist.
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Right. I can agree with much of this. There is far too much "all or nothing' vitriol floating around with a pervasive indictment of "they", "them" and "those people".
Also of interest is the new phrase I have seen surfacing of late; "entitlement violence". What sort of thought process is that supposed to suggest? Food stamps cause rioting, arson and death? Medicare is a catalyst for mayhem? Already the attempts to change the politicization of this unfortunate event is veering to the right.............
As a man once told me;
"They pull their d**ks to the left, then they pull their d**ks to the right and all it is, is a bunch o' d**k pullin'."
Dave
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Approve ~ No other choice since I wasn't there.
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11-28-2014, 06:53 AM
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Approve ~ No other choice since I wasn't there.
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So DJ if you were not there how can you approve, Not sure would be the answer.
I was not there at Aushwitz but I know damn well it happened.
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