God in the Classroom?

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

In the Finnish system, this is generally what is encouraged. And, as I recall, we were given the same choice in Ohio, as we graduated tenth grade. But, that was many moons ago. I don't know what the deal is now.

Regards,
Dave

Yeah they had vocational when I went, but the whole 'machine' was set up for college prep.

I think a lot of European countries have a test at a certain age that determines which kind of school you go to.

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Yeah they had vocational when I went, but the whole 'machine' was set up for college prep.

I think a lot of European countries have a test at a certain age that determines which kind of school you go to.

Pete

Right. But unfortunately, certain students, (idiots and troublemakers) were "encouraged" to go to vocational school. Which created a problem for those of us who chose to go. My parents and teachers tried to talk me out of it. I should have listened.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Yeah they had vocational when I went, but the whole 'machine' was set up for college prep.

I think a lot of European countries have a test at a certain age that determines which kind of school you go to.

Pete

One reason why these "vo-tech" programs work better in Europe is that the trades aren't stigmatized there as they are here.

John

[ebacon]

Originally Posted by Boreas

One reason why these "vo-tech" programs work better in Europe is that the trades aren't stigmatized there as they are here.

John

Exactly.

I think it's a shame that we stigamtize the people that actually do the work instead of just talking about it.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Boreas

One reason why these "vo-tech" programs work better in Europe is that the trades aren't stigmatized there as they are here.

John

Which was kind of the point I was trying to make in my last post. The "Vo-Tech" schools, in Ohio at the time, were being used by some districts as a dumping ground for hard cases. Which ruined it for the rest of us. I'm guessing the attitude was founded in the belief that trades are for lowlifes and halfwits anyways. And, then we wonder why "workmanship" is lacking in this country?

Regards,
Dave

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Which was kind of the point I was trying to make in my last post. The "Vo-Tech" schools, in Ohio at the time, were being used by some districts as a dumping ground for hard cases. Which ruined it for the rest of us. I'm guessing the attitude was founded in the belief that trades are for lowlifes and halfwits anyways. And, then we wonder why "workmanship" is lacking in this country?

Regards,
Dave

The assumption here seems to have always been that "manual labor" was for the weak of mind and the strong of back. Historically, it has been the work of slaves and recent immigrants who, as we all know, aren't all that bright, not quite human.

John

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Boreas

The assumption here seems to have always been that "manual labor" was for the weak of mind and the strong of back. Historically, it has been the work of slaves and recent immigrants who, as we all know, aren't all that bright, not quite human.

John

Indeed. Germany has a vocational training system that is the envy of the world. Part of the reason, I believe, is that all forms of work, be it laborer or lawyer, have dignity there. Here, blue collar work is a job, whereas white collar is a profession.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Boreas

One reason why these "vo-tech" programs work better in Europe is that the trades aren't stigmatized there as they are here.

John

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov...onomy-20121111


most def

read the middle part of the article where it mentions vocational education.

[wgrr]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Yeah they had vocational when I went, but the whole 'machine' was set up for college prep.

I think a lot of European countries have a test at a certain age that determines which kind of school you go to.

Pete

Germany does.