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[bobabode]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Nah. There's not a politician or political party alive who won't tweak the tax code for their own electoral benefit. Therein lies the rub.

I'll take Van Hollens proposal versus the tired old Repub mantra of trickle down, wouldn't you?

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Nah. There's not a politician or political party alive who won't tweak the tax code for their own electoral benefit. Therein lies the rub.

Then the 90% of us that are being fucked by these tweaks need to make it clear to these politicians that if they want to be re-elected they need to tweak them to our benefit.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Then the 90% of us that are being fucked by these tweaks need to make it clear to these politicians that if they want to be re-elected they need to tweak them to our benefit.

Good luck with that. Pols in both parties tweak the tax code with equal fervor for all the wrong reasons. The last several election cycles have confimed for me that the no one inside the beltway gives a rats ass about the voters. Maybe we need term limits first, then we can overhaul the tax code. The "throw the bums out" attitude simply gets the current crop of bums replaced with...new bums, and the old bums become lobbyists or go to work on Wall Street or banking.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

That's just a typical right wing cop-out.

We don't need an ideal world. All we need is a good progressive Democrat like FDR in the White House and Democratic majorities in congress like he had in the 1930's.

See above. The game is DC has changed mightily since the 1930's in case you've missed the last 80 years.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Good luck with that. Pols in both parties tweak the tax code with equal fervor for all the wrong reasons. The last several election cycles have confimed for me that the no one inside the beltway gives a rats ass about the voters. Maybe we need term limits first, then we can overhaul the tax code. The "throw the bums out" attitude simply gets the current crop of bums replaced with...new bums, and the old bums become lobbyists or go to work on Wall Street or banking.

Indeed. Politicians only get serious about tax reform upon or after retirement from the game. For example, Dave Camp (R-Mich), chairman of House Ways and Means, laid out his tax reform plan on the way out the door.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Indeed. Politicians only get serious about tax reform upon or after retirement from the game. For example, Dave Camp (R-Mich), chairman of House Ways and Means, laid out his tax reform plan on the way out the door.

There's a good reason for term limits. Reform proposals will be laid out frequently on their way out.

[nailer]

If not for the presidential term limit Clinton would have been President on 9/11.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by nailer

If not for the presidential term limit Clinton would have been President on 9/11.

If not for Jebbie, Katherine Harris and the Supremes, Al Gore would have been president on 9/11.

Your point?

John

[finnbow]

If chickens had lips, they wouldn't have to eat with their peckers.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

There's a good reason for term limits. Reform proposals will be laid out frequently on their way out.

I don't like term limits.

If you get someone good in there they should be able to stay as long as they and the voters want them to.

The problem is fixed elections, primarily due to gerrymandering and virtually unlimited corporate money due to "Citizens United", both of which are Republican wet dreams.