18 and Dead.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by icenine

true

but if you raise your arms up in a surrender position and still get pumped full of lead then something is wrong. And maybe he was acknowledging that he robbed the convenience store when he raised his hands. Maybe his last thought was I fucked up and I surrender.


Until I see hard evidence that Wilson was attacked inside his vehicle by Brown I will not support the police department. This would not have happened to a middle class white kid.
The cop trying to open his door and then having it pushed back by Brown because he was too big may have upset the cop.

The cop shot out the window and Brown ran away. He shot him in the back and then Brown turned around and put his hands up in the air. According to more than one witness he kept shooting him. I can see maybe shooting him once and then calling 911 for medical treatment and providing first aid.

I agree that if shots were fired after surrender.... That is just wrong. Hopefully forensic evidence will clear that up.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by barbara

I'm a white female and have been reprimanded by law enforcement at least three times that I can remember off the top of my head for 'walking in the street'.

It happens....

Were you arrested? Could you have been?

Were you cited in all cases? Could you have been?

[Pio1980]

How long before Michael Brown's history of behavior pattern becomes a matter of record in this case.

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[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by icenine

true

but if you raise your arms up in a surrender position and still get pumped full of lead then something is wrong. And maybe he was acknowledging that he robbed the convenience store when he raised his hands. Maybe his last thought was I fucked up and I surrender.


Until I see hard evidence that Wilson was attacked inside his vehicle by Brown I will not support the police department. This would not have happened to a middle class white kid.
The cop trying to open his door and then having it pushed back by Brown because he was too big may have upset the cop.

The cop shot out the window and Brown ran away. He shot him in the back and then Brown turned around and put his hands up in the air. According to more than one witness he kept shooting him. I can see maybe shooting him once and then calling 911 for medical treatment and providing first aid.

It's important to keep in mind that the above is just a possible scenario. We have witnesses that say it happened like this, but they had time to get their stories in line. What the physical evidence says will be crucial.

And if there is physical evidence that Brown did assault the officer, then the first shot may well have been justified. Can't really say more until we know.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

How long before Michael Brown's history of behavior pattern becomes a matter of record in this case.

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I believe I saw it mentioned that he had no prior criminal record.

[Wasillaguy]

It does seem to me the cop made a major procedural mistake by not exiting his vehicle some distance from these two. It may be that he underestimated the reaction he would get, due to the fact he didn't realize the kid had just committed a crime.
By confronting him through the window, he put himself in a position to be assaulted. Once assaulted, he may have been so enraged that he continued attacking after the threat was neutralized (assuming witness reports are true).
I don't know if a murder charge would stick, but manslaughter might.

Bottom line lesson remains the same- don't mess with the cops. You don't know which ones will take your crap and which ones will gun you down. And it won't matter much if they're found guilty or not, because you're already dead.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Dat's a bullshit answer.

I'm comfortable with it.

Nice picture of Marisa Tomei by the way.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

It's important to keep in mind that the above is just a possible scenario. We have witnesses that say it happened like this, but they had time to get their stories in line. What the physical evidence says will be crucial.

And if there is physical evidence that Brown did assault the officer, then the first shot may well have been justified. Can't really say more until we know.

yes you are probably correct.


I just do not believe he has the evidence otherwise he would have provided it by now.
You have to remember the Police Department Chief's job is on the line right now. He looks like he is sort of a bumbler who may be just a victim of one his subordinates screwing up.
If it really happened the way the cop said it did I would be presenting all the evidence NOW.
I mean if Brown did indeed get in the car and try to take his gun then get Wilson on TV and say so NOW. If it is really true Wilson will be vindicated. The part where Brown attacked inside the vehicle does not seem credible to me right now. Plus if his partner told the FBI that he and Brown did indeed take some cigars from the store would not he also say that Brown went inside the car too?

there is something they are holding back on.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Were you arrested? Could you have been?



Were you cited in all cases? Could you have been?

Twice for jaywalking once for crossing against a red light. Not sure if those are offenses that I could have been arrested for, but twice got a ticket.

On the other hand, none of those times were preceded by me having an altercation with a store owner and theft so I was not in a defensive mindset when approached by the officer.

[icenine]

The only time I am worried about j-walking is when you are in a big city like LA or San Diego and the cops give tickets to tourists just to generate income. I do not really think j-walking is sort of enforced in small rural towns in the mid-west but perhaps it is in some places. I played tag football on a side street the whole time I was growing up. We were never told not to do it.