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05-20-2018, 09:50 AM
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I hold her partially responsible for rigging H-->'s nomination using an undemocratic process and for selling the myth that Hillary was the most qualified candidate. And I am sure that this has alienated her from other elected members of her party.
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05-21-2018, 12:22 AM
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is mainly just arises from a long history of slurring directed at her.
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The slur sticks despite her lack of baggage a la Clinton.
Lately, however, she has shown a clear lack of political judgement when she got her face in the MS-13 animal noise. Hispanic citizens have no love for MS-13.
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The slur sticks despite her lack of baggage a la Clinton.
Lately, however, she has shown a clear lack of political judgement when she got her face in the MS-13 animal noise. Hispanic citizens have no love for MS-13.
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But Hispanic citizens are fairly sure not to like being lumped in with MS-13. However clear it may be to you that Trump's 'animals' comment referred to MS-13 types, he didn't mention MS-13 at the time. He just mentioned "people coming in."
Likewise, the context of the remarks was a proposal to let law enforcement call ICE when they suspected a person in custody was MI-13 (they currently have the authority to call ICE when a convicted MS-13 member is arrested). Many Hispanics understand that suspicion can be very easily attached to superficial appearances.
And when you get down to it, I agree with Pelosi that 'calling people animals is not a good thing,' even in the case of depraved hyper-violent MI-13 members. Stripping any persons of their humanity opens the way to saying they have no rights, and may be slaughtered like animals. The danger of such talk cannot be overstated.
https://www.vox.com/2018/5/16/173628...-ms-13-illegal
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05-21-2018, 06:34 AM
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Pelosi should not waste political capital on MS-13.
In the political haze one can be easily tied to it.
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05-21-2018, 01:57 PM
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But Hispanic citizens are fairly sure not to like being lumped in with MS-13. However clear it may be to you that Trump's 'animals' comment referred to MS-13 types, he didn't mention MS-13 at the time. He just mentioned "people coming in."
Likewise, the context of the remarks was a proposal to let law enforcement call ICE when they suspected a person in custody was MI-13 (they currently have the authority to call ICE when a convicted MS-13 member is arrested). Many Hispanics understand that suspicion can be very easily attached to superficial appearances.
And when you get down to it, I agree with Pelosi that 'calling people animals is not a good thing,' even in the case of depraved hyper-violent MI-13 members. Stripping any persons of their humanity opens the way to saying they have no rights, and may be slaughtered like animals. The danger of such talk cannot be overstated.
https://www.vox.com/2018/5/16/173628...-ms-13-illegal
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Although we all are animals.
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05-22-2018, 06:19 AM
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AKA Sister Mary JJ
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Although we all are animals.
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Living on a farm.
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05-22-2018, 06:29 AM
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Almost completely true. Very few hunter-gatherers left.
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05-22-2018, 10:42 PM
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Repube candidate: displaced Puerto Ricans shouldn't be able to vote in FL
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/22/polit...ion/index.html
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05-25-2018, 08:59 AM
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GOP House candidate in Illinois is a 9/11 truther, said Beyonce had ties to the Illuminati
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/25/polit...ati/index.html
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"Go to YouTube and punch in 'Building #7' It's the third building that went down with the twin towers on 9/11," Fawell wrote. "Nothing hit this building, not a thing, and it fell entirely upon its own. If it looks like a standard commercial implosion demolition, it's because that is exactly what it is."
"It's interesting to note that the clandestine branch of the CIA was housed on the top floor," he added. "No personnel were lost, but any and all documents were destroyed, just like a giant shredder. The Pentagon was hit in a wing being remodeled (but few people), that held a mountain of paperwork regarding 1 trillion dollars which the Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, was having trouble accounting for. That mountain of paperwork became a pile of ash."
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Sigh.
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05-25-2018, 10:51 AM
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Living on a farm.
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Orwell's.
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