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05-05-2023, 11:49 AM
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The farm kid in me wants to know what the problem is having teenagers do hard or dangerous labor?
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Problem is that kids lack knowledge and good judgment they need to negotiate risk on the job. Further, their immature judgement can make them exploitable, as can impovrishment. Unaccompanied minor immigrants who must support themselves and fall through the social welfare cracks here are highly exploited.
Farm parents can generally be trusted to try to protect their own children's safety, but strangers are more likely to be careless of it.
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05-05-2023, 12:38 PM
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Problem is that kids lack knowledge and good judgment they need to negotiate risk on the job. Further, their immature judgement can make them exploitable, as can impovrishment. Unaccompanied minor immigrants who must support themselves and fall through the social welfare cracks here are highly exploited.
Farm parents can generally be trusted to try to protect their own children's safety, but strangers are more likely to be careless of it.
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I get all that. That was more a smartass question for those that think teenagers should not be doing any "hard labor"...
Actually listened to an NPR report on it yesterday and the above is what many think.
And from my personal experience being a farm worker from 12-18, my family would let me die before the "strangers" I worked for.
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06-23-2023, 08:12 AM
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Problem is that kids lack knowledge and good judgment they need to negotiate risk on the job. Further, their immature judgement can make them exploitable...
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...And yet the left wants to believe that they have sufficient "knowledge and good judgement" to be able to decide whether they want a penis when they are 11 years old.
What does science say about that?
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06-23-2023, 10:40 AM
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...And yet the left wants to believe that they have sufficient "knowledge and good judgement" to be able to decide whether they want a penis when they are 11 years old.
What does science say about that?
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Science says to assess the child carefully, and if warranted, preserve the option for gender reassignment in the future.
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06-23-2023, 12:13 PM
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...And yet the left wants to believe that they have sufficient "knowledge and good judgement" to be able to decide whether they want a penis when they are 11 years old.
What does science say about that?
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Show me a direct, verified quote where a prominent Democratic politician has said that he/she believes that 11 year olds have sufficient knowledge and good judgment to be able to decide whether they want a penis.
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06-24-2023, 01:08 PM
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Show me a direct, verified quote where a prominent Democratic politician has said that he/she believes that 11 year olds have sufficient knowledge and good judgment to be able to decide whether they want a penis.
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How about a publication from HHS on "gender-affirming care" (which is a cute euphemism) which advocates that minors have access to things like hormone therapy, puberty blockers, and sex reassignment surgery. The HHS publication calls access to such services for minors "crucial".
Regarding the specific comment about 11-year-olds deciding if they want a penis, I don't think any smart politician of any stripe would go on record with something like that. There is no question, however, that minors have received such treatments up to and including surgical alteration. Given the current political climate and legal and legislative activism related to this topic, I suspect we'll see more and not less of minors receiving such treatments, and there's no solid research or evidence to suggest that, particularly sex reassignment surgery, is a good thing for children.
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06-24-2023, 05:39 PM
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How about a publication from HHS on "gender-affirming care" (which is a cute euphemism) which advocates that minors have access to things like hormone therapy, puberty blockers, and sex reassignment surgery. The HHS publication calls access to such services for minors "crucial".
Regarding the specific comment about 11-year-olds deciding if they want a penis, I don't think any smart politician of any stripe would go on record with something like that. There is no question, however, that minors have received such treatments up to and including surgical alteration. Given the current political climate and legal and legislative activism related to this topic, I suspect we'll see more and not less of minors receiving such treatments, and there's no solid research or evidence to suggest that, particularly sex reassignment surgery, is a good thing for children.
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I was challenging the notion that it was the Democratic Party's official position that 11-year olds should be able to unilaterally seek and receive sex reassignment surgery. It isn't.
That said, I rather have parents and doctors involved in the decision than performative mean-spirited wingnut clowns like Ron DeSantis or Sarah Hillbilly Sanders. Like most cultural hot-button issues ginned up by the Right, this is very much a niche issue that will never touch the lives of anyone you know or will ever know. I suppose it's easier than honestly and effectively enacting meaningful legislation to address the significant major issues confronting the nation. Gotta fire up the rubes.
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06-24-2023, 06:26 PM
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Like most cultural hot-button issues ginned up by the Right, this is very much a niche issue that will never touch the lives of anyone you know or will ever know. I suppose it's easier than honestly and effectively enacting meaningful legislation to address the significant major issues confronting the nation. Gotta fire up the rubes.
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1) This was not an issue "ginned up" by the right.
2) It has touched the lives of people I know, so please keep your sanctimony to yourself.
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06-24-2023, 06:37 PM
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1) This was not an issue "ginned up" by the right.
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Say that again with a straight face. (rolling my eyes so hard I almost fell over).
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06-24-2023, 07:53 PM
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1) This was not an issue "ginned up" by the right.
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Seriously? Please.
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2) It has touched the lives of people I know, so please keep your sanctimony to yourself.
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Sanctimony on this issue resides squarely on the Religious Right. Try to keep up.
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