Hamas Attack in Israel

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Call me names if it makes you feel better, but my question still remains. Why should American tax payers fund Israeli attacks on Hamas terrorists and Gaza civilians to the tune of $14 Billion? Let Israel pay its own way since I do not see either the need nor a return for the $14B of our tax payer money. Besides this will encourage the Sheiks and Mullahs to escalate the current crisis.

Oh..now he's a fucking victim...qwitcher fucking sniveling. Either that or take back your Jew bashing bigot bullshit about the "targeting" of Palestinian civilians. Just admit your bigotry got the better of you and it won't happen again. That or...

...remain the Jew bashing anti-Semite you are, because you outed your fucking self.

Or tell ya what...now that I have the scoop on you...I don't give a shit what you say.

Hamas is responsible for the deaths of Palestinian civilians...either as casualties in an airstrike on a rocket launcher installation purposefully set up by Hamas in the parking lot of an apartment complex, school, mosque, or hospital...or murdered directly by Hamas for buying the wrong car from the wrong guy in the neighborhood.

Israelis just want to be left the fuck alone. The day of the last rocket attack, mortar attack, or ground attack on Israeli civilians will be the last day any Palestinian civilians are killed in an Israeli retaliatory air strike on a Hamas war installation. The day Israel knows that weapons of terror are not going to be shipped to Hamas by the Iranians or the Russians is the day the joint Israel/Egypt blockade will be over.

And you fucking know it. Everybody on this forum knows it.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Israelis just want to be left the fuck alone...

Except those who illegally settle the West Bank (and those supporting these settlements (e.g., Bibi's coalition)), assassinate a Prime Minister (Yitzhak Rabin) for seeking peace, murder 29 and wound 125 Muslim worshippers in the Cave of the Patriach in Hebron (Bibi's National Security Minister hangs the mass murderer's portrait in his office), and engage in provocative, intrusive protests on the Temple Mount, among many other indignities.

For a person who knows so little about the realities on the ground in Israel and environs, you sure do have strong opinions about matters there. It's far more complicated than your simple-minded take on it.

[Mark B]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Except those who illegally settle the West Bank (and those supporting these settlements (e.g., Bibi's coalition)), assassinate a Prime Minister (Yitzhak Rabin) for seeking peace, murder 29 and wound 125 Muslim worshippers in the Cave of the Patriach in Hebron (Bibi's National Security Minister hangs the mass murderer's portrait in his office), and engage in provocative, intrusive protests on the Temple Mount, among many other indignities.

For a person who knows so little about the realities on the ground in Israel and environs, you sure do have strong opinions about matters there. It's far more complicated than your simple-minded take on it.

For someone who touts their knowledge of the Middle East you present an extremely shallow, one-sided view of the history of Israel & it's Arab neighbors since the 1940's.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Mark B

For someone who touts their knowledge of the Middle East you present an extremely shallow, one-sided view of the history of Israel & it's Arab neighbors since the 1940's.

Extremely shallow, one-sided: Kindly explain/expand.

[Mark B]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Extremely shallow, one-sided: Kindly explain/expand.

Israeli-Palestinian relations can only be understood in the context of their history.

When a knowledgable person presents a sequence of events out of the context of that history it frames one side as the antagonist and the other side as the victim, and is thus a (purposeful?) distortion of the continuum.
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[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Mark B

Israeli-Palestinian relations can only be understood in the context of their history.

When a knowledgable person presents a sequence of events out of the context of that history it frames one side as the antagonist and the other side as the victim, and is thus a (purposeful?) distortion of the continuum.
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If you were referring to me, I was responding to Ike's counterfactual assertion that "Israel just wants to be left alone" and not attempting to provide a comprehensive history of the Levant.

[Dondilion]

Levant:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levant

Tidbit: (From the link)
Among the languages of Israel, the official language is Hebrew, Arabic was until July 19, 2018 also an official language. The Arab minority in 2018 about 21% of the population of Israel,...

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Mark B

Israeli-Palestinian relations can only be understood in the context of their history.

When a knowledgable person presents a sequence of events out of the context of that history it frames one side as the antagonist and the other side as the victim, and is thus a (purposeful?) distortion of the continuum.
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War creates passions, which tell us that no decent person can disagree with our side. But while truth is not subjective, views of it often are. Be slow to impute malice to people who see things differently. One's own view can be clouded.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

War creates passions, which tell us that no decent person can disagree with our side. But while truth is not subjective, views of it often are. Be slow to impute malice to people who see things differently. One's own view can be clouded.

Is anybody who's head is not up their ass thinking that Hamas does not deserve every morael of malice pitched at them?

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Extremely shallow, one-sided.

Pot/Kettle. Mirror...mirror.