Take THAT Eric Holder!

[whell]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Because GM and Chrysler are not Democracies. Never have been. When they chose to take federal funds knowingly agreed to submit to federal control.

The next point might expose where our ideologies diverge, or maybe not, if you really think about it;

Governments are not businesses. And never should be. Businesses are autocratic, command and control by nature. In government, we call this dictatorship.

Yes, the town/city recieves funds from the state. But have the citizenry voted to allow state seizure of their local government? Did they petition the state to oust their local government?

No. It was thrust upon them.

And, as I understand it from the couple hours I spent reading up on it yesterday, there may be other motivations involved other than simply "rescuing" a beleaguered town.

There are plenty of beleaguered towns in this country that no one seems to give a hoot about. They don't have prime lake-front acreage..................

Dave

The citizens of the state voted their legislatures to pass laws, and many of the those folks live in Benton Harbor, Detroit, Allen Park, Highland Park, etc. Remember, this ain't a democracy. We vote for congressmen and women to represent us, and they act on our behalf. So, I don't buy the idea that this was "thrust" upon anyone.

There are plenty of cities in Michigan that offer "prime lake-front acreage". Benton Harbor isn't special in that regard, and that by far and away is not a driver in the current scenario there. The same type of situation exists in each of those Michigan cities mentioned above, and none offer "prime lake-front acreage".

[BlueStreak]

Yes it is. At least it should be. Otherwise, to say that people in ( Any state.) also voted for members of congress and the president, the federal government has the right to dismantle the state government and impose absolute federal rule.

Is this the case?

Dave

[Rex E.]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Enough with all of the voter fraud BS. The real reason the right wants voter ID laws is to disenfranchise as many on the lower rungs of the economic ladder as possible.

Regards,

D-Ray

D, you're the guy to ask this as you'll prolly know best but I've recently saw a few things where the unions require i.d. to be shown at union votes. I also see where the union is against showing i.d. for state and federal voting.

Is this true and if it is why the double standard? Isn't "what's good for the goose, good for the gander"?

[Rex E.]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Yes it is. At least it should be. Otherwise, to say that people in ( Any state.) also voted for members of congress and the president, the federal government has the right to dismantle the state government and impose absolute federal rule.

Is this the case?

Dave

It's that way pretty much everywhere, Dave. If states go against the will of the fed then the feds cut off revenue to the states until they fall in line.

That is exactly why the feds were never to have the power they do.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Rex E.

It's that way pretty much everywhere, Dave. If states go against the will of the fed then the feds cut off revenue to the states until they fall in line.

That is exactly why the feds were never to have the power they do.

That's the way I see it.

Chas

[Rex E.]

Originally Posted by Charles

That's the way I see it.

Chas

iirc there were a few instances in MO where that happened not to long ago.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Rex E.

It's that way pretty much everywhere, Dave. If states go against the will of the fed then the feds cut off revenue to the states until they fall in line.

That is exactly why the feds were never to have the power they do.

Oh, but if you had ever read up on Hamilton, you'd know that's exactly how the system has been set up from day one. There was a whole lot of sayin' this but doin' that back in the day, my friend.

Unless you have a hard time seein' past the fairy tales......

Dave

[Rex E.]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Oh, but if you had ever read up on Hamilton, you'd know that's exactly how the system has been set up from day one. There was a whole lot of sayin' this but doin' that back in the day, my friend.

Unless you have a hard time seein' past the fairy tales......

Dave

The why are you so surprised and railing so much about Benton Harbor when you already obviously know that's the plan. Stop jumping up and down screaming bloody murder in support of Democrats and the evils of Repulicans if they are all in the same boat and you already know their collective plan.

[BlueStreak]

And, besides,

The federal government HAS to have some degree of control. You cannot maintain a cohesive nation under the umbrella of a national constitution any other way. Hence the commerce clause, the forbidding of states "to enter into any confederation".............

Dave

[Rex E.]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

And, besides,

The federal government HAS to have some degree of control. You cannot maintain a cohesive nation under the umbrella of a national constitution any other way. Hence the commerce clause, the forbidding of states "to enter into any confederation".............

Dave

That and defense and that's where it's to end....right?