Hate Crime In Detroit?

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Boreas

So, this is great! Nobody's taking Whell's bait from the OP. Let's keep it up!

John

I don't know if that is coming from the Excrement-in-Fraudcasting/ Pox Noise echo chamber or not but there seems to be an agenda.

[finnbow]

As for the OP, I fundamentally disagree with the whole notion of "hate crimes." An assault or a murder is a crime, regardless of the motive(s) behind it.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

I have no idea, I wasn't there. But, if I were to venture a guess, I might say race could have been a motivating factor, much as the beating of Reginald Denny was racially motivated. However; Bear in mind that while it was black men that attacked these men, it was also black folks that came to the rescue of both men. Both good and evil are found in any race.

As for the press? My theory? Racial attacks against white folks aren't as sensational, because unfortunately, we are still viewed as the oppressor race. A white man beating a black man gets airtime because it's "proof" that racial hatred still exists. But a black man beating a white man gets little mention or attention because the black guy is supposedly "reacting" to the oppression foisted upon him. There may have been some truth in it up to some point in the past. In the context of modern times, not so much. As an aspect of our culture, it's absurd and patently wrong. But, I'm afraid this is how our society has come to react.

Will it ever change? I certainly hope so, but I have my doubts.

Dave

Thats a nice post Dave.

If we ever want racial equality in this country.....

It has to be a combined effort.
It has to be addressed equally.
It has to be addressed morally not politically.
It has to be addressed without an agenda.

For the most part most individuals interact without prejudice.

It's just too bad there is people making money and gaining power race baiting society. All attempts are made to keep racism alive and well in this country.

So all we really can do is keep our own house clean and excepting of all.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Thats a nice post Dave.

If we ever want racial equality in this country.....

It has to be a combined effort.
It has to be addressed equally.
It has to be addressed morally not politically.
It has to be addressed without an agenda.

For the most part most individuals interact without prejudice.

It's just too bad there is people making money and gaining power race baiting society. All attempts are made to keep racism alive and well in this country.

So all we really can do is keep our own house clean and excepting of all.

Best post I've seen from you since I entered this asylum.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by finnbow

As for the OP, I fundamentally disagree with the whole notion of "hate crimes." An assault or a murder is a crime, regardless of the motive(s) behind it.

Hate crime exists. It's a crime the animus for which is directed at a race, class, gender or otherwise discernible group. The actual victim isn't the intended target, merely a "symbol" of the target. As such a hate crime is a particularly cold-blooded and atavistic act and should be treated accordingly.

John

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by finnbow

As for the OP, I fundamentally disagree with the whole notion of "hate crimes." An assault or a murder is a crime, regardless of the motive(s) behind it.

In an ideal world, yes, but not this one. Just ask any 'other'-than.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Best post I've seen from you since I entered this asylum.

Thank you.

And your first post was a nice one as well.

Then Boreas baited you into a unequally, politically agenda drive racist topic of his choice. Although he did in fact failed to sway your own inner morality.

Boreas prejudice is undeniable.....It makes me sick no mater where it comes from or directed at.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Thank you.

And your first post was a nice one as well.

Then Boreas baited you into a unequally, politically agenda drive racist topic of his choice. Although he did in fact failed to sway your own inner morality.

Boreas prejudice is undeniable.....It makes me sick no mater where it comes from or directed at.

I understand his approach and appreciate his point-of-view but have trouble as seeing TM as either a random target of armed prejudice or as someone that did not somehow participate in his own demise. The apparent facts just don't support either premise.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

I understand his approach and appreciate his point-of-view but have trouble as seeing TM as either a random target of armed prejudice or as someone that did not somehow participate in his own demise. The apparent facts just don't support either premise.

Agreed

It's just some prefer to re-write facts to fit an ideology.

[Pio1980]

Being young and emotionally immature should not be a Capital offense any more than being somewhere someone doesn't think you belong.
Three fairly recent examples of white guys with guns abrogating their responsibility to be the adult in the situation have occurred with tragic results. The TM case, the theatre text shooting, and the 'loud' music case. The common base seems to be a guy with suppressed anger issues and a gun. The TM case is still cloudy as to the facts, the theatre case inexplicable. The "loud music" case was an apparent tinderbox that may have like possibly the TM case involved someone baiting a guy with a gun and bad judgement for what-ever reason.