1st Amendment Violation?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

The roots of this country are Christian.

The First Amendment says otherwise, methinks.

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The First Amendment says otherwise, methinks.

You think incorrectly. The first amendment says nothing about religion's role in the roots of this country, and it shouldn't, given that the subject is religious freedom. Doesn't change the fact that our laws were based on Christian principles, written up by Christian patriots. Anyone who's read any American history knows this is true.
The founders made it clear that the country will have no "national religion", but they also made it very clear that they felt the Bible's 10 commandments made a pretty solid foundation for our rules of law.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

...but they also made it very clear that they felt the Bible's 10 commandments made a pretty solid foundation for our rules of law.

Gotta call BS on this one. Only 3 of the Ten Commandments have found their way into our laws (thou shall not kill, steal, or bear false witness). I know of no laws addressing the issues addressed in Commandments 1-5, 7, and 10.

As for your Christian patriot myth, ponder these quotes a bit:
http://hwarmstrong.com/christian-founding-fathers-2.htm

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Gotta call BS on this one. Only 3 of the Ten Commandments have found their way into our laws (thou shall not kill, steal, or bear false witness). I know of no laws addressing the issues addressed in Commandments 1-5, 7, and 10.

As for your Christian patriot myth, ponder these quotes a bit:
http://hwarmstrong.com/christian-founding-fathers-2.htm

How 'bout these quotes:

From James Madison:
The belief in a God All Powerful wise and good, is so essential to the moral order of the world and to the happiness of man, that arguments which enforce it cannot be drawn from too many sources nor adapted with too much solicitude to the different characters and capacities to be impressed with it.
Letter to Rev. Frederick Beasley (1825-11-20)

Samuel Adams:
As neither reason requires nor religion permits the contrary, every man living in or out of a state of civil society has a right peaceably and quietly to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience.
‘Just and true liberty, equal and impartial liberty,’ in matters spiritual and temporal, is a thing that all men are clearly entitled to by the eternal and immutable laws of God and nature, as well as by the law of nations and all well-grounded municipal laws, which must have their foundation in the former.

Two by John Adams:

On June 21, 1776, John Adams wrote:
“Statesmen, my dear Sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free Constitution is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People in a greater Measure, than they have it now, they may change their Rulers and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting liberty.”

On August 28, 1811, in a letter to Dr. Benjamin Rush, John Adams wrote:
“Religion and virtue are the only foundations, not only of republicanism and of all free government, but of social felicity under all governments and in all the combinations of human society.”

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

"As long as the roots are not severed, all will be well in the garden."

The roots of this country are Christian.

Did you read this off of your palm?

The religious roots of this country lie here;

From Wiki;

"The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion......"

From here on is my opinion;

1) The government cannot attempt to establish a state religion, nor can it dictate to anyone a specific religious belief or prevent them from exercizing their right to worship (Or abstain from worship.) as they see fit.

2) No other model you attempt to present can possibly demonstrate free will.
America is a predominantly Christian country, but it is not a "Christian Nation".
This term implies exclusivity and social/political dominance.

3) Worship as you see fit. This is your right. Attempt to dominate others and press your religious beliefs (Or lack thereof.) upon them and you are in for a fight. At least you should be.

4) Escape from religious tyranny is one of the reasons the Puritans came here in the first place. Remember, Monarchy is religion based. Kings are coronated by a bishop. Royal bloodlines are believed to be decendants of Christ. Kings force their subjects to adopt the beliefs of the crown. I.E-Nationalized religion.

Of course, the moment they arrived, they began establishing their own form of religious tyranny. Didn't they?

These four points are why the first amendment exists in the first place.

Did you read the whole thread?

Dave

[painter]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

"As long as the roots are not severed, all will be well in the garden."

The roots of this country are Christian.

I agree! Never in my seventy-two years have I heard or read so much condemnation of religion.
It seems to me...a line is always being drawn in the sand on any subject. There's plenty of room in both heaven and hell...let you conscience be your guide.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by painter

I agree! Never in my seventy-two years have I heard or read so much condemnation of religion.
It seems to me...a line is always being drawn in the sand on any subject. There's plenty of room in both heaven and hell...let you conscience be your guide.

I didn't condemn religion. I condemned the Bible-thumping charlatans who try to use religion and the myth of Christian persecution for political purposes.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I didn't condemn religion. I condemned the Bible-thumping charlatans who try to use religion and the myth of Christian persecution for political purposes.

Why do you hate America?

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

"As long as the roots are not severed, all will be well in the garden."

The roots of this country are Christian.

Hey Finn, a guy from Wassila is quoting Chauncey Gardner..........

Think about it.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!

Dave

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Hey Finn, a guy from Wassila is quoting Chauncey Gardner..........

Think about it.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!

Dave

You think that's funny, here's a real riot- a guy from Wasilla pointing out that the hypocrite has a quote in every one of his posts that directly conflicts with his position!
I don't care who you are, now that's funny.