Russians shoot down a civilian airliner...

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by finnbow

And Putin is going to do whatever he can to keep it that way. I can't help but believe that Putin knows full well what happened with one of his weapons systems inside rebel territory 30 miles from his border. He just wants to sow enough doubt that gullible Russians without access to (or interest in) the truth will continue to support him. Putin is as duplicitous as the day is long.

I wouldn't put it past him to secure the black boxes with help from the separatists, deny that he has them, and then use the fact that the black boxes are missing to cast doubt as to the findings of any international investigation.

Hear how he's saying regardless of who pulled the trigger, it's Ukraine's fault for causing the instability in the first place?

I agree with you, I'm guessing he already knows what happened and based on that statement it was his guys. Yes it's just a guess by me with no proof.

I heard on the radio this AM that NATO had that area under heavy surveillance. I suspect that 'truth will out'.

Russia has proven they have no regard for international stability, something we all have a very large stake in.

Pete

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

No he is a great modern Russian leader.

Sure and GWB looked into his eyes and saw his soul, and a miserable evil shrunken thing it is.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

No he is a great modern Russian leader.

I guess it's all relative considering the cavalcade of ruthless thugs they've had in charge since 1922. Personally, I'd take Gorby or even Boris Yeltsin over Vlad the Impaler.

Side note - The Soviet Union recovered the black boxes from the Korean Airliner they shot down in 1983 and hid his this fact until the Soviet Union collapsed 8 years later, denying their responsibility the entire time (in spite of ample evidence to the contrary).

If they think they can get away with it (or even if they don't, but think their citizens will buy into their denials), they'll do the same thing this time.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Russia has proven they have no regard for international stability, Pete

And we do?

Gimme a fucken break.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NktsxucDvNI

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

With the blood of our young men and women, of course.

Regards,

D-Ray

And trillions of our tax dollars.....

But at least the MIC will prosper....more...

[piece-itpete]

We might make mistakes but overall we basically enforce global stability.

Finn, Russia loves hard, violent leaders historically. Ivan the Terrible was weak, Peter the Great was vicious. I suspect that even if the Russians where told the separatists or Russian troops shot down the airliner Putin wouldn't loose much support.

Pete

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by finnbow

And Putin is going to do whatever he can to keep it that way. I can't help but believe that Putin knows full well what happened with one of his weapons systems inside rebel territory 30 miles from his border. He just wants to sow enough doubt that gullible Russians without access to (or interest in) the truth will continue to support him. Putin is as duplicitous as the day is long.

I wouldn't put it past him to secure the black boxes with help from the separatists, deny that he has them, and then use the fact that the black boxes are missing to cast doubt as to the findings of any international investigation.

It would appear that this is exactly what has happened.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

We might make mistakes but overall we basically enforce global stability.


Pete

Yea, I've noticed how stable Iraq and Afghanistan are.....

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

We might make mistakes but overall we basically enforce global stability.

You need to lay off of the right wing Kool Aid Dude.

We're the biggest Goddamned interfering War Mongers on the Planet.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by MrPots

It would appear that this is exactly what has happened.

They did it before (Korean Airlines shoot-down) where they hid the fact that they had the black boxes for 8 years while denying their responsibility (in the face of ample contrary evidence).