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Old 09-27-2010, 06:11 PM
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Very well put sir. I would suggest, however, that what the modern corporation has become has made its legal status inherently dangerous. The corporation in its simplest terms is a way to avoid liability for those who profit from the corporation's operations. I have seen even small corporations abuse this privilege.

The "moral imperative" of a corporation is to turn a profit. That focus necessarily subordinates other societal values that cannot be measured in dollars and cents (or euros or pesos or yen . . .) To provide such an entity with most of the rights and privileges of personhood, is to create a powerful being that has no moral sense of its responsibilities to the community in which it lives. If it can transfer some of its costs to the government or community, that makes it better able to satisfy its only moral imperative. While the corporation is more than willing to shift costs to the government/taxpayers, it uses its substantial financial influence to avoid the cost of supporting government with its taxes.

Because the legal status of the corporation allows it to profit at the expense of the community, that status makes abuse inevitable.

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Old 09-28-2010, 07:54 AM
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Old 11-17-2010, 06:30 AM
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What has large business ever done that was truly useful?
Buying power and efficiency are not mutually inclusive.
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Old 11-17-2010, 07:49 AM
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It all goes back to when the Supreme Court in its infinite wisdom declared that bribery is legal. K Street = Lobbyists = Bribery.
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Old 11-18-2010, 12:56 AM
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I'm afraid it goes back much earlier than that. Corporations stole the fourteenth amendment from the people it was supposed to protect. In the fifty years following the passage of the amendment, and its equal protection clause, nearly half of the equal protection cases heard by the supreme court were brought on behalf of corporations. The corps and their high priced lawyers, who belonged to the same social class as the judges, prevailed again and again on arguments that their "personhood" entitled them to special protections under the law. Meanwhile. the Supreme Court took equal protection cases from those who were the intended beneficiaries of the Amendment - African Americans - less than one percent of the time. Yep, the odds were around fifty to one that corporations would obtain better protection under the Fourteenth amendment than the folks is was supposed to protect.

One will definitely not learn this bit of history from Beck University.

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Old 11-18-2010, 06:53 AM
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Anyone (with a reasonable command of the English language) reading the Constitution AND Madison's Notes can only reach the conclusion that "We the people" refers to human beings NOT corporations. This of course pre-supposes that our justices are familiar with the English language, unfortunately most of them speak American.
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Old 11-19-2010, 12:50 AM
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Well D-ray I can tell you and I are probably going to have a lot in common on this site. Your story simply doesn't surprise me in the least.

For four years I've been working for a company that's corporate owned. Since I was in management I got a good look at corporate culture, and I now despise it. These people are like robots, they care about nothing but money, and they'll step on anyone to get more, and more, and more. This became such an issue for me, and this particular company's policies so ridiculous and unfair to it's managers, I actually resigned this past summer. Considering the way the job market is right now, I'm sure you'll all understand it was a difficult decision to make. But in the end, I realized the people I was working for are the antithesis of everything I am, and everything I believe in, and I should never have been involved in it in the first place.
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Old 11-19-2010, 01:28 AM
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Well D-ray I can tell you and I are probably going to have a lot in common on this site. Your story simply doesn't surprise me in the least.

For four years I've been working for a company that's corporate owned. Since I was in management I got a good look at corporate culture, and I now despise it. These people are like robots, they care about nothing but money, and they'll step on anyone to get more, and more, and more. This became such an issue for me, and this particular company's policies so ridiculous and unfair to it's managers, I actually resigned this past summer. Considering the way the job market is right now, I'm sure you'll all understand it was a difficult decision to make. But in the end, I realized the people I was working for are the antithesis of everything I am, and everything I believe in, and I should never have been involved in it in the first place.
Kudos. Sometimes living by our principles is not financially rewarding. I know that the companies are paying opposing counsel at twice our rate to get their butt kicked. In the long run, however, the peace of mind is priceless.

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Old 11-19-2010, 07:03 AM
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When I was with Bell I always figured that my job as a Section Manager was to develop my staff to their fullest potential. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that here no manager ever clued his/her staff in about anything. The argument that I was given was that if you taught them everything you knew they would take your job.

Then the monthly video feed pep talks from HQ where we were exhorted to "Destroy our competitors". Compete yes, but destroy? Retirement has its bennies.
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Old 11-19-2010, 11:42 PM
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Then the monthly video feed pep talks from HQ where we were exhorted to "Destroy our competitors". Compete yes, but destroy? Retirement has its bennies.
Lol! That's hilarious.
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