'Why We Did It' The Iraq War

[piece-itpete]

My take, if he would've simply exposed domestic spying policies he would've been a whistleblower, and I am glad he did. But he had to expose our international spying. As interesting as it was it makes him a traitor imo. It was stupidity on his part and he'll pay for it the rest of his life.

Pete

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Boreas

How is telling the American people that their government is violating our laws and our constitution and trampling on our rights in any sense a betrayal of the US?

John

Respectfully, I don't believe this sort of idealism can exist in government outside of a vacuum.

Since the inception of the Constitution -- an imperfect document stolen from American Indians (in part) I might add -- it has been ignored during periods of great need, stress, efficiency or subversive global strategy.

I don't mind that.

I mind it being done if/when none of those conditions demanding expediency or focus exist.

1. You want the War on Terror?
2. You get Constitutional evasion.

This surprises anyone?

[Boreas]

Of course, it would be naive to believe these things don't, can't happen. That's not the point The point is to recognize that they will always happen and that, unless they're exposed, we will be giving our tacit acceptance of the erosion of our civil liberties. Sooner or later, our constitution and our laws would become "quaint" and anachronistic. We would, in any meaningful sense, have no rights.

As George W. Bush is supposed to have said, the Constitution is "just a god-damned piece of paper."

John

[piece-itpete]

Unsupported but beloved by the left. I agree regarding the Constitution, as a matter of fact it's been dead for many years.

Pete

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Unsupported but beloved by the left. I agree regarding the Constitution, as a matter of fact it's been dead for many years.

Pete

Since the Civil War, right?

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Of course, it would be naive to believe these things don't, can't happen. That's not the point The point is to recognize that they will always happen and that, unless they're exposed, we will be giving our tacit acceptance of the erosion of our civil liberties. Sooner or later, our constitution and our laws would become "quaint" and anachronistic. We would, in any meaningful sense, have no rights.

As George W. Bush is supposed to have said, the Constitution is "just a god-damned piece of paper."

John

Exactly.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Since the Civil War, right?

Slavery killed it - it was birthed defective. Our own fault.

Plus both parties find it inconvenient at one point or the other, and we are too apathetic to really care. Franklin was right.

Pete

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Damn! And I thought Pete was the PC version of Sarah Lee!

John

You mean that act he puts on?

To try to cover up the fact that he is a hard core right winger from Hell?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Franklin was right.

Pete

"A democracy, madam, if you can keep it."

John

[piece-itpete]

Bwwwwuuuuuhahahahahaha. I'll... I'll... I'll shave your cats!

I don't know who Sarah Lee is

Pete