$50 a bulb??

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by JonL

I wonder why the gov't didn't get serious about CAFE standards instead? How many MPGs better would the fleet have to achieve to equal the energy savings from these bulbs?

It needs to be attacked on all fronts. Gas mileage needs to be improved; electricity usage needs to be decreased; habits have to be changed.

If this move toward more energy efficient lighting is not important, do you think the government could have withstood the pressure from lobbyists? Advertising has encouraged excessive usage of energy for years. Advertising is just a more subtle means of directing people's behavior. It requires stronger measures to respond.

I changed to CFD's more than five years ago. Even though I use the average pay plan for my electric bill, it did not take long to notice the improvement. Our bill went down as the rates were going up. Got another big chunk of savings when we replaced our old heater and air conditioner with a heat pump and a three stage gas heater. With the regular rate increases, I would hate to see what our electric bill would be now.

The headline for the $50 light bulb just so much hyperbole. As the cited article shows, as the market expands, and technology improves, the price of the bulbs will drop.

Regards,

D-Ray

[flacaltenn]

Actually BlueStreak:

Think about all those "wall wart" adapters that you have for everything. It's just mind boggling how many of those pile up. Those things are another consequence of having just 120V AC mains.

Ideally, you'd still have 120VAC service for the big stuff that uses motors and heating coils. But we also need to think about running a DC bus (probably in the range of 24VDC from a centralized conditioner at the home. That way all those wall warts go bye-bye and your lighting/electronics becomes simpler and more innovative.

[JonL]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

It needs to be attacked on all fronts. Gas mileage needs to be improved; electricity usage needs to be decreased; habits have to be changed.

I agree with this 100%, and didn't mean my post to imply otherwise.

Originally Posted by flacaltenn

Actually BlueStreak:

Think about all those "wall wart" adapters that you have for everything. It's just mind boggling how many of those pile up. Those things are another consequence of having just 120V AC mains.

Ideally, you'd still have 120VAC service for the big stuff that uses motors and heating coils. But we also need to think about running a DC bus (probably in the range of 24VDC from a centralized conditioner at the home. That way all those wall warts go bye-bye and your lighting/electronics becomes simpler and more innovative.

I think this is a good idea, and I bet it will happen before too long.

Can we also get a ~400 VDC bus for our tube audio gear?

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by JonL

I think this is a good idea, and I bet it will happen before too long.

Can we also get a ~400 VDC bus for our tube audio gear?

I hear they are proposing a regulation that would limit use of tube audio gear to times when the temperature is below 50 degrees F.

It's just a joke guys. I am such a cheapskate, however, that I am still solid state.

Regards,

D-Ray

[flacaltenn]

If ya got all those tubes, then you don't need much lighting now do ya?

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by flacaltenn

If ya got all those tubes, then you don't need much lighting now do ya?

Lighting, yes. Electric heat, no.

Used to own a set of Rogue M120 Monoblocks. In the dead of winter, those eight EH6550s would have us sweating in the living room.

Dave

[whell]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

I hear they are proposing a regulation that would limit use of tube audio gear to times when the temperature is below 50 degrees F.

It's just a joke guys. I am such a cheapskate, however, that I am still solid state.

Regards,

D-Ray

So, then we get some fool on the Hill to try to outlaw anything built by Pass Labs...

[whell]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

It needs to be attacked on all fronts. Gas mileage needs to be improved; electricity usage needs to be decreased; habits have to be changed.

If this move toward more energy efficient lighting is not important, do you think the government could have withstood the pressure from lobbyists? Advertising has encouraged excessive usage of energy for years. Advertising is just a more subtle means of directing people's behavior. It requires stronger measures to respond.

I changed to CFD's more than five years ago. Even though I use the average pay plan for my electric bill, it did not take long to notice the improvement. Our bill went down as the rates were going up. Got another big chunk of savings when we replaced our old heater and air conditioner with a heat pump and a three stage gas heater. With the regular rate increases, I would hate to see what our electric bill would be now.

The headline for the $50 light bulb just so much hyperbole. As the cited article shows, as the market expands, and technology improves, the price of the bulbs will drop.

Regards,

D-Ray

So we should leverage government regs to force the issue at the expense of US jobs? Also, it would appear the lobby was in favor of this.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/op-eds...s-factory-jobs

[JonL]

Originally Posted by whell

So we should leverage government regs to force the issue at the expense of US jobs?

Without looking at the link, and even taking this quote totally out of context, I would say... "depends." Many issues, including energy consumption, are complex. Sometimes it may be appropriate to sacrifice some US jobs for the sake of the nation as a whole. On the other hand, actions that sacrifice US jobs simply to increase corporate profits and enrich the CEOs and stock market speculators should be vigorously discouraged through the use of public pressure, market pressure, and - where necessary - by regulation and tax policy.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by flacaltenn

Actually BlueStreak:

Think about all those "wall wart" adapters that you have for everything. It's just mind boggling how many of those pile up. Those things are another consequence of having just 120V AC mains.

Ideally, you'd still have 120VAC service for the big stuff that uses motors and heating coils. But we also need to think about running a DC bus (probably in the range of 24VDC from a centralized conditioner at the home. That way all those wall warts go bye-bye and your lighting/electronics becomes simpler and more innovative.

Some of my most treasured electronics are around thirty years old.

Dave