$2,000,000,000,000 defense budget?????

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by JJIII

If we don't, who will? It will be somebody... that's for sure. Who would you like to live under?

I wouldn't mind being under Halle Berry......................

Our time trying to run the world is up and we should just let it go. Or, are you afraid the big, bad world will come rushing in and crush our "exceptionalism". Or, maybe it's already happening, and that's what all the whiney, bitchy fuss on the right is all about?

Regards,
Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by ebacon

The underlying theory of The New World Order/Globalism is that nations that rely on each other have less incentive to fight. Now that China is our largest trading partner and Russia is next in line under the BRIC initiative, what nation or situation is on our threat horizon that justifies continuing paying for a military that is breaking the bank?

Recall that at the beginning of The New World Order/Globalism movement we downsized our military and ended up with the peace dividend during the Clinton administration.

The neocons, in accordance with PNAC's position paper, disagreed with downsizing the military. Their position was that doing so squandered an opportunity for the US to be the sole superpower on the earthball.

In a twist of irony, being the sole superpower on the earthball gives enemy leaders the opportunity to stir their masses by painting the US as an imperialist nation. That is the kind of perception that makes us a target. PNAC admits it.

Given that, please tell us how we are supposed to simultaneously engage in free global trade while at the same time maintain our position as the sole global superpower. The former reduces the federal government's tax base through lower worker wages and lower tax rates on imported goods. The latter increases the federal government's spending on the military.

The design is structurally flawed. No?

Excellent post and I am 110% in full concurrence, Mr. Ebacon.

Bravo, Old Boy!
Dave

[piece-itpete]

People think that somehow the world runs itself. The reality is we keep everything moving. We pull back and it is back to business as usual, regional empires built on force, piracy, worldwide recessions, mass starvasions, all kinds of bad things.

China is on the move. They have shown over and over that they don't give a crap about human rights etc, they will do as they see fit and once dominant may well even drop lip service to those things.

Exceptionalism? Consider that never has the primary power been eclipsed by a newer power without war.

This would be a lot simpler if Europe would help, but they've gotten used to us doing the heavy lifting while they sit back and feel superior. Maybe South American help? Russian? Perhaps it's even Africas' turn. Things never stay the same.

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

People think that somehow the world runs itself. The reality is we keep everything moving. We pull back and it is back to business as usual, regional empires built on force, piracy, worldwide recessions, mass starvasions, all kinds of bad things.

China is on the move. They have shown over and over that they don't give a crap about human rights etc, they will do as they see fit and once dominant may well even drop lip service to those things.

Exceptionalism? Consider that never has the primary power been eclipsed by a newer power without war.

This would be a lot simpler if Europe would help, but they've gotten used to us doing the heavy lifting while they sit back and feel superior. Maybe South American help? Russian? Perhaps it's even Africas' turn. Things never stay the same.

Pete

So, you're saying we'll be invaded by stars on a massive scale. That is serious. We'll be burned to a cinder. OMG, we're being attacked by Alpha Centauri.....quick, coat yourself with SPF 90!!!!

Regards,
Dave

[piece-itpete]

LOL!!

It's Revelations!

6:13 The stars of heaven fell unto the earth



Pete

[bobabode]

Dang Christians! Always tryin' to help Armegeddon along...

[ebacon]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

People think that somehow the world runs itself. The reality is we keep everything moving. We pull back and it is back to business as usual, regional empires built on force, piracy, worldwide recessions, mass starvasions, all kinds of bad things.

China is on the move. They have shown over and over that they don't give a crap about human rights etc, they will do as they see fit and once dominant may well even drop lip service to those things.

Exceptionalism? Consider that never has the primary power been eclipsed by a newer power without war.

This would be a lot simpler if Europe would help, but they've gotten used to us doing the heavy lifting while they sit back and feel superior. Maybe South American help? Russian? Perhaps it's even Africas' turn. Things never stay the same.

Pete

Pete,

How much time have you spent outside of the USA, not including Canadian titty clubs?

[piece-itpete]

Only the British Isles, but quite a bit of time there. And as much as they're often that way they've still stood with us.

I also watch a lot of foreign news.

Pete

[ebacon]

So you spent time in the only European nation that also has an American-style right wing and you also watch a lot of TV. Great.

Given that, can you empathize with say Europeans outside of England or people from the Middle East? Do you have any experience working day-to-day with people from those regions? If so, why do you think that they will become pirates if we downsize our military just a little?

[piece-itpete]

Being half English I belong to British expatriate forums - there might be 1 out of thousand that comes close to an American right winger. They would laugh at that...

France 24 is my preferred news source. They're the best. I also watch BBC, RT, and a smattering of others.

It's a big bad world. I seriously doubt that say the Portuguese will become pirates.

Ask yourself, why do we have troops all over the world, by invitation, including in Europe?

Pete