Reparations anyone?

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by mpholland

There are infinite areas that can be addressed, but where does one start and end?
You can say blacks are disadvantaged because of where they live, but how do you resolve that? Is it better for them to try and better themselves and move or stay and try to better the neighborhood? There are many who have sacrificed their own potential and stayed to try and better the lives of the local kids. They've helped a few kids rise up and make their way out of the neighborhood, but I don't think they have changed the culture a whole lot.

If they could get a decent education they can get scholarships and go to college like anyone else, but even with money for schools it is hard to focus on school when the whole community is run by gangs and thugs. Many fathers in prison, not just because of racial bias, but also because of gang indoctrination and drug addiction makes it hard to focus on school when you are trying to take care of your home and family at the same time. A lot of money and many people smarter than me have been thrown at this situation and it still exists to a heavy degree in many black communities today. What is the answer? Housing is so expensive in nearby areas that they can't move close, even middle class people can't afford to buy a house. I think that if a lot of them could just get a glimmer of confidence that they may possibly be able to have even a small part of "the American dream" they may actually strive for it, but I believe most of them are convinced it is impossible so why go through the effort.

I am sure there is an answer, but I don't even know where to begin.

Here is the really scary part: Have you ever heard of the book, "The Bell Curve"? Some tough questions are presented by the information in that book. Here's a "twenty years later" rundown: https://www.aei.org/economics/bell-c...harles-murray/

The book may have been somewhat prophetic.

[Oerets]

It may just be as simple as inclusion. This will take many years to fulfill equality. Years ago women's sports as an example needed help towards equity. Steps are still need but advances have been made.

We can't just put our hands up saying it can't be fixed. Not without trying.

The country put off the hard tough decisions for later. That can not go on forever. Like I stated before the people effected are not going away. The inequalities are growing everyday for segments of our society. We don't want it to get to the historical solution of pitchforks and touches now do we?

I feel that given the opportunity of a good paying job and building of wealth. The problems with gangs and crime would be lessened significantly. When you have something to loose you fight for it. It is when one feels left out and hopeless, with nothing to loose the problems begin.

[mpholland]

Originally Posted by Oerets

It may just be as simple as inclusion. This will take many years to fulfill equality. Years ago women's sports as an example needed help towards equity. Steps are still need but advances have been made.

We can't just put our hands up saying it can't be fixed. Not without trying.

The country put off the hard tough decisions for later. That can not go on forever. Like I stated before the people effected are not going away. The inequalities are growing everyday for segments of our society. We don't want it to get to the historical solution of pitchforks and touches now do we?

I feel that given the opportunity of a good paying job and building of wealth. The problems with gangs and crime would be lessened significantly. When you have something to loose you fight for it. It is when one feels left out and hopeless, with nothing to loose the problems begin.

True, but the point is somehow we need to get good paying jobs where, so far anyway, it doesn't look like they want to put them.

[Oerets]

There is more then a few jobs that left the country over the years. Be very interesting to see if any of the companies involved in these said jobs have a history in their past with the exploitation and enrichment of our natural resources. Both of a human or material in nature.

So they could now be held accountable and fund programs. To bring good paying industry back home.

There is ways of improving our society. It is just the pain in the who what where and when. This is a rich country with so much potential. Greed and envy are powerful caustic emotions that left to fester unchecked. Can and will have ill effects all of ours futures.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

... Redistribution of wealth, in a race-neutral manner, is not really a racial equality thing. I just tangented to it since reparations ...

Thanks for the easter egg.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

Ask the men how many would rather be women, and the women how many would rather be men. Youll get a similar response. It's not that they don't want to be black. It's that they like who they are and they have spent their entire life adapting to who they are.

Half the hands going up shows strong dissatisfaction in half of the lives if they want something else.

And the people I've known don't get onboard with racial animosity mainly because they benefit economically and socially by discrimination. Rather, they see a certain race constantly acting up on television and in youtube videos and wonder, "is there something fundamentally wrong with these people?"

Dead serious.

If seeing people acting up, without pre-existing bias, triggerred animosity, I'd expect much more widespread condemnation of the armed 'no-mask, open the economy' protestors.

And a nuance: the question was not 'would you rather be black.' The question was 'would you be willing to be black.'

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

If seeing people acting up, without pre-existing bias, triggerred animosity, I'd expect much more widespread condemnation of the armed 'no-mask, open the economy' protestors.

And a nuance: the question was not 'would you rather be black.' The question was 'would you be willing to be black.'

Or ask one self, would you be uncomfortable the only or of the few (insert, race gender ethnicity) in a crowd of those who are different?

Then try to imagine how people faced with this everyday now must truly feel. Add to this the sense in lacking of a voice or power when faced with this everyday. When in speaking up, ignored and placated as not a big deal.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Then try to imagine how people faced with this everyday now must truly feel. Add to this the sense in lacking of a voice or power when faced with this everyday. When in speaking up, ignored and placated as not a big deal.

...like a white guy talking about black race issues?

Every person's story is unique, and race is only part of the formula that makes it that way. In my company we have two black managers in the IT department and one black lady that cleans the restrooms. Everybody listen's to the two black guys but nobody listens to the cleaning lady regarding IT.

But then, maybe now I'm being sexist rather than racist?

BTW, if those two guys started speaking up about race issues, I guarantee you people would start ignoring and placating them. And respect for them would drop like a prom dress.

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

...like a white guy talking about black race issues?

N.I., just because of my race, it will not blind to another sufferings. The statement of mine actually was first made by a friend of mine who yes, happens to be Black.

Does one have to have cancer in order to see issues associated with the illness? Or by seeing the suffering in others gain an understanding of the pain and suffering. I would think an caring intelligent open minded person would and could have a feeling for, not a complete one, yet one still the same.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by Oerets

N.I., just because of my race, it will not blind to another sufferings. The statement of mine actually was first made by a friend of mine who yes, happens to be Black.

Does one have to have cancer in order to see issues associated with the illness? Or by seeing the suffering in others gain an understanding of the pain and suffering. I would think an caring intelligent open minded person would and could have a feeling for, not a complete one, yet one still the same.

You and I are in complete agreement on the facet you mention. Sadly, it seems that the race of the speaker matters if they are talking about the situation another "race" finds itself in and the listener does not like what they are saying. Sometimes they can even be of the same race and if the listener doesn't like what they are saying they just call them an Uncle Tom.