It's just a mask - Page 33

Yggdrasill · #**321** 12-17-2020, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Insane

According to the CDC, 6% of the "deaths with CV19" are actually deaths FROM CV19. You may think my comment was stupid, but it is statistically accurate. The key point is that one is under the age of 25.

That's why I find it comical that the most frightened and obedient mask wearers out there seem to be people under the age of 30.

Here is some background for the "stupidest thing you ever read."
http://www.madnesshub.com/2020/05/if...-are-more.html

This reminds me of an exchange from "A Fish Called Wanda."

Wanda: ...but you think you're an intellectual, don't you, ape?
Otto (smugly): Apes don't read philosophy.
Wanda: Yes they do, Otto. They just don't understand it.

I feel like maybe I'm the ape because I'm engaging with someone who gets their info from madnesshub.

Lies, damn lies, and statistics. Your comment was stupid because, as I noted to Nailer, it is a false analogy. It goes just skin deep, as if the risk stops with the individual and death is the sole possible negative outcome. Also, you clearly posted it as a way of saying all this is being overblown. Statistics are useful only if you understand them.

1. You drown or you don't drown. Nearly drowning doesn't kill you and probably makes you safer in the future because you'll be more careful.

With Covid 19, you can live and yet suffer severe medium and long term health impacts even including organ damage, blood clots and blood vessel damage. These can affect you regardless of age. And we're learning more all the time.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/art-20490351

2. Being in a swimming pool doesn't increase the risk to others. And you don't carry the swimming pool drowning risk around with you. But exposure to Covid, especially if you become an asymptomatic carrier, vastly increases the risk to everyone else you come into contact with. That's why many nursing homes don't allow visitors.

3. I challenge you on this alleged CDC statistic. Show me a link. Both the CDC and NIH have lots of info on excess deaths attributable to Covid-19, and those in are in the hundreds of thousands. Here is a quote from the third link below: "As of October 15, 216,025 deaths FROM [caps added] COVID-19 have been reported in the United States; however, this might underestimate the total impact of the pandemic on mortality."

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7480051/
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ess_deaths.htm

4. Finally, your powers of observation have failed miserably wrt to "the most frightened and obedient mask wearers out there seem to be people under the age of 30".
https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...ially-distance

nailer · #**322** 12-17-2020, 03:13 PM

Apes, hominds to be precise, not only read, but also write the philosophy being read.

RickeyM · #**323** 12-17-2020, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yggdrasill

This reminds me of an exchange from "A Fish Called Wanda."

Wanda: ...but you think you're an intellectual, don't you, ape?
Otto (smugly): Apes don't read philosophy.
Wanda: Yes they do, Otto. They just don't understand it.

I feel like maybe I'm the ape because I'm engaging with someone who gets their info from madnesshub.

You keep asking for a logical reality based discussion with NI and all you get is...

Trollin' trollin' trollin'
You can't stop me trollin'
Nothin' ever gets through trollhide!
Come on, dispute me,
Utterly refute me,
I'll swing that ol' tarbrush high and wide.
All your calculation
Facts and information
Don't make no impression--trollhide!

Egg 'em on, whip 'em up,
Mess 'em up, fake 'em out,
Egg 'em on, fake 'em out, trollhide!
Set 'em up, reel 'em in,
Ride 'em hard, lie a lot,
Let 'em bitch, trollhide!

Trollhide!

... and in a post he started for just that purpose.

Yggdrasill · #**324** 12-17-2020, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickeyM

You keep asking for a logical reality based discussion with NI and all you get is...

Trollin' trollin' trollin'
You can't stop me trollin'
Nothin' ever gets through trollhide!
Come on, dispute me,
Utterly refute me,
I'll swing that ol' tarbrush high and wide.
All your calculation
Facts and information
Don't make no impression--trollhide!

Egg 'em on, whip 'em up,
Mess 'em up, fake 'em out,
Egg 'em on, fake 'em out, trollhide!
Set 'em up, reel 'em in,
Ride 'em hard, lie a lot,
Let 'em bitch, trollhide!

Trollhide!

And in a post he started for just that purpose.

I'm a glutton for punishment, I guess. But I'm here for productive, informative conversation, so I gotta do my part.

donquixote99 · #**325** 12-17-2020, 09:46 PM

He goes silent when the going gets too tough. I hit him with a John Hopkins piece on the stats and excess deaths, previously, when he brought up this CDC and the death count bullshit. He took a few days off, and this was when her was posting pretty regular.